Do HP, 3Com value claims trump Cisco?

Data suggests 'value' in switches comes from many factors

Cisco's dominance in enterprise switching is legend, but HP and 3Com have put together compelling product portfolios and value stories that add up to the first real competition the switch king has faced in years, and buyers are beginning to pay attention.

Test: 3Com's high-end switch

Quinnipiac University on Connecticut, a Cisco shop, recently upgraded its network with gear from 3Com. "Several of my peers were curious as to why we left the mother ship ... but it all fits into a risk-reward ratio," says Fred Tarca, associate vice president of information services. “We stuck with our fundamental principles of wanting a good product at the right price that is supportable, with a team and a company to back it up. Those requirements were met by 3Com."

Modular and fixed/stackable switches

Ron Sege, president and COO of 3Com, says the H3C enterprise equipment his company is bringing out of China was built from the ground up in the last four years, using the latest ASIC and other technology advances.

And the company is trying to use its success in China to convince domestic buyers to give it another chance after it pulled out of the North American enterprise market twice. "We already have a million routers installed in China, half a million switches, and common management for the whole range of gear," Sege says.

In fact, China uses the H3C equipment to power eight out of 12 national backbones, including its transportation, education and energy networks, Sege says. "We're selling value in most cases, but value based on cost to operate.," he says. "Lower cost up front, less expensive to operate over time and higher performance to boot."

But will value be enough? Cisco has more than 70% of the market and says, no matter how individual boxes line up, its ace in the hole is low total cost of ownership, something it achieves with its cohesive, overarching product architecture.

To see if the value stories hold water we started by examining product cost and found that in some cases – not all – switches from HP and 3Com do cost considerably less than comparable Cisco offerings, at least on a starting list price level. For instance, 3Com's S7500E and S7900E modular multilayer 10G and Gigabit switches cost $8,000 less than Cisco's Catalyst 6500.

But it is, of course, hard to do an apples-to-apples comparison. Cisco says the Catalyst 6500 supports three times as many 10G Ethernet ports than 3Com does on the 7500E and 7900E. But 3Com claims the VSS1440 version of Cisco's Catalyst 6500, which Cisco says takes the system's switching capacity to 1.44Tbps, is mostly marketing rhetoric. "Although claiming 1400 Gbps, (it) is mostly a redundancy scheme," says Dominic Wilde, 3Com's senior director of Global Product Line Marketing for Networking Products. "It does not increase bandwidth as only one supervisor is active."

3Com also claims the Catalyst 6500, with a Supervisor 720 engine, only delivers half the throughput of the 3Com 7500 and 7900 switches for IPv4 packets.

Cisco, meanwhile, claims the 3Com switches and HP's high-end 5400 and 8212 systems line up better with the Catalyst 4500 – even though 3Com and HP aim their offerings squarely at the 6500. The 4500 E-series chassis ranges in price from $995 to $12,495 while bundled pricing for the 4500 is $11,000 to $18,000. Cisco says an entry level 4500 costs $200 per gigabit Power over Ethernet Plus port.

"We primarily compete with them on the 4500," says Rajiv Ramaswami, vice president and general manager for Cisco's Data Center Switching Technology Group.

But value is not based on price alone, says Zeus Kerravala, an analyst at The Yankee Group.

"There are different ways to measure value," Kerravala says. "On of the big (aspects) of the value chain for Cisco is the base of Cisco certified engineers out there. You can actually pick up the Yellow Pages to find them. The odds of finding a 3Com or HP guy is hard."

Rob Whiteley of Forrester Research agrees. "If you have an army of  (Cisco certified engineers), there's going to be a learning curve [if you add other suppliers] and that is the No. 1 reason why the ultimate TCO is a bit more of a wash. The people cost is an order of magnitude more expensive than some of those other costs."

But HP says the cost of a Cisco SmartNet maintenance contract alone over five years could cost more than a new HP ProCurve network.

"We have had customers who basically said, "I can replace my entire network with ProCurve just by the cost of a Cisco SmartNet maintenance contract," says Sreeram Krishnamachari, HP ProCurve product marketing manager.

HP and 3Com may have a better value proposition at branch office sites, where a wiring closet switch can be purchased for a reasonable price, easily deployed, and then not updated, upgraded or even thought about for the next five years, Kerravala says.  Value "depends on where your focus is," he says. "It's inaccurate to say 3Com and HP have end-to-end value over Cisco in all cases. Acquisition cost is roughly 20% of the cost of running a network."

Other aspects — such as power consumption, total cost of ownership (TCO), operational expense and so on — also play key roles in determining the overall value of a network deployment. Both HP and 3Com claim Miercom has certified their switches as 40% more power efficient than competitive offerings.

Whiteley says price matters far less to customers needing a laundry list of features and functions. "There's no doubt you can save money moving away from Cisco to one of these other vendors. But what a lot of companies will ask is, 'Do I want to trade off some of the features, functions and innovations I get with Cisco?' No one has been able to answer the Nexus yet -- not cleanly. No one has been as deep into server virtualization and how to integrate a network architecture that supports a virtual data center. If you value this, who cares if you save 20% in the long run?"

"Value is in the eye of the beholder," Kerravala says. "The fact that Cisco still carries the lion's share of the market means to me there's more value placed on the things that Cisco offers than what HP and 3Com offer. But HP's share has grown a lot [of late]. Their message around TCO and things like that have resonated."

Kerravala expects HP to continue to take share from Cisco and for Cisco to respond by dropping prices. "This may be a time for customers to really benefit based on the fact that these two companies are going to go toe-to-toe," he says. "Cisco's going to try and keep share, HP's going to try and take it. The big winner here is going to be the customer."

HP still doesn't have a data center core switch to take on Cisco's Nexus 7000. But 3Com says it does — the S 12500, which debuted last spring at Interop.

Cisco quotes a 15Tbps capacity for the Nexus 7000 but 3Com says Nexus won't hit that mark for another 12 months. Wilde says the S 12500 will achieve 13.3Tbps by then.

But Cisco counters that the S 12500 is just not in the same league as the Nexus 7000. The Cisco switch was built not only for Ethernet switching, but for converging storage protocols such as FibreChannel, and optimized for "enabling and driving" virtualization, Ramaswami says.

"It is specifically for data center convergence, which we believe our competition does not have," Ramaswami says.

Cisco says the real value is in the overall system and architectural role of its switches.

"There are multiyear investments" customers are making in Cisco switches, Ramaswami says. "You're comparing platforms against point products."

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