(Update: MADD's initiative -- in particular, the Breathalyzer-in-every-car trial balloon -- has gathered generally positive reviews, but a few voices are also asking the practical questions. Here's a sampling of what's being said.)
A campaign spearheaded by Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD) will kick off today aimed at changing state drunken driving laws to require that the cars of even first-time offenders be equipped with ignition interlocks that prevent the vehicle from being started by an inebriant. Moreover, some are advocating that the concept be taken further: They want every automobile to come with passive Breathalyzer-like technology that will screen the alcohol level of every driver.
"When 40 percent of all our crashes are alcohol-involved," one advocate tells the New York Times this morning, "I don't think it's going to be that difficult of a sell."
Let's beg to differ. Here are just a few off-the-top-of-my-head questions that will make that sell a challenge:
There is, of course, the straightforward civil libertarian question: Why should those who have never been convicted of drunken driving be compelled to prove they are innocent before being allowed to operate their own cars? This baby seems to have been tossed with the bathwater long ago in a country where drug testing has become routine, but you can expect the die-hards to be heard anew.
How far down the technology slope are we sliding? Certainly, any such standard automobile equipment could include a record-keeping component. Will attempted drunken driving become a crime? There could be no denying the deterrent effect of such a new law. Three rejected start attempts and you lose your license? Five and the ignition is permanently disabled? Certainly the advocates will make the case than an ounce of prevention beats even one more highway fatality.
What about networking? Will the data be wirelessly transmitted to your local police department? Why not? It would clearly help law enforcement target and keep tabs on the recidivists. And the cops will need to know when to pull your license for that third strike.
Even advocates of ignition interlocks acknowledge that they are easily circumvented -- just find a sober person to lend you a clean puff -- so technologists are looking for better answers. Among the possibilities, according to the Times story, are a Breathalyzer that attaches to a key chain and won't let the car start if it senses too much booze, an appliance that beams light on a driver's skin and analyzes the light that is returned, and special steering wheels and gear-shift levers.
(Update: Apparently there are all kinds of problems getting these things to do what they're supposed to do ... beginning with getting them installed, according to this press report from New Mexico.)
All of which raise more questions.
Will starting someone else's car become a crime if that person is later found to be driving drunk? What will be the impact of such laws on our already overburdened court systems?
Why not add GPS to the technological cocktail? Park within 50 yards of a restaurant, bar or sports stadium and the blood-alcohol tolerance level that your car will accept is lowered from .08 to .06 -- just to help you resist the temptation of taking that one for the road. Couldn't those tolerance levels be adjusted for holidays? Super Bowl Sunday?
Will parking valets go the way of the dinosaurs? Restaurants and bars are already legally on the hook for serving sloppy drunks, but will they want to take on the added liability of actually starting the cars of their patrons? I'm thinking they won't. ... Or does the technology have to progress from the ignition to the transmission in order to keep a drunk from operating a car that has been started by a sober person?
Anyone believe this technology will work perfectly? Didn't think so. What about false positives? Will my prescription medications render my car a useless hunk of junk? What happens when the technology simply malfunctions? Who will have the expertise to fix it? The mechanic on the corner? Will there be special repair facilities? And how do you get the car there if it won't start?
That's just two cups of coffee worth of questions. I'm sure you can add to the list.
More coverage of the issue:
New Mexico is gosh-darn proud to be leading the way on this one.
Here's the MADD press release from this morning.
The Chicago Tribune editorial board wants to see the interlocks used more liberally with those who have been convict, but doesn't address the issue of what they call "the gadgets" becoming standard equipment.
There's a blue-ribbon panel involved, so I feel better now.
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Just out of idle curiousity,
Just out of idle curiousity, are all the older cars going to be custom refitted with the breathalizers? Who will be paying for that? And if used cars aren't going to be retooled, if I'm a habitual drunk driver, won't I just buy a used car?
MASS breathalyzers
all they would need to do is blow up a ballon, prior to going to the party/bar buddies house.
get in the car squeeze the balloon's clean air into the device and away they go...
What Will It Take?
You sound to me like many of theses Liberal judges who see drunk driving as some sort of minor offense.
What is it going to take to get these people off the road? How many convictions will it take before someone is considered a danger to innocent drivers and pedestrians? How many children need to be senselessly wiped off the face of the earth? How many fathers or mothers will never make it home from their jobs?
We all read in the papers and hear it on the news, about some horrific tragedy caused by a drunk driver. Only to find out later that said driver has a history of DWI offenses.
These drivers are NOT victims, they are criminals and need to be treated as such.
One DWI conviction is one too many. You give up your rights at that point, just as any criminal would.
You're an idiot.
The issue is not whether the inebriated should be permitted to drive vehicles; they shouldn't. That's why there are laws against it. The first issue is how much of our liberties and privacy are we willing to give up to ensure that all laws are obeyed all the time? If your answer is that you are willing to give up sufficient liberty and privacy for this, fine, that's an opinion, however wrong, that you can at least argue. But the more important question is can this be practically achieved? Do you have any clue as to the technological cost of retrofitting older cars? Are there no situations in which an inebriated person - or just a person whose BAC is above the appropriate level, because there are certainly individuals who can operate a vehicle in such a state without impairment - should drive? What if you and your mate are camping, hanging out at the campfire, tossing back a few years and suddenly he goes into cardiac arrest? Or has a seizure? Or gets bitten by a snake? Are you not going to drive him to the hospital because you've had one beer too many? Do you want your car to stop you from driving him? Not to mention that there are plenty of reasons a breathalizer can be wrong. Hope you don't use listerine before you go to work, because all that alcohol in your mouth - none of which is in your bloodstream - will stop you from starting your new car for quite a while.
No, you're an idiot
No, Listerine will not put you above .08. Sorry, that's just dumb. This isn't a matter of civil liberties, it's a fucking fail safe device that won't let a drunk drive a car. The cost is irrelevant since anything involving mass change will clearly take a while and cost a lot. It's called progress. I've read through all these comments and they are nothing more than off the wall random scenarios that are attempting to refute a device that will do nothing more than save lives. What if a woman is running from a rapist, what if my buddy and I are camping and he has a heart attack, what if my car won't start because I brushed my teeth; these are absurd. How about a real scenario, what if I'm driving home at night and a drunk hits me on my side of the road, what if I'm on the highway and a drunk slams me going 35 over, oh wait, these are real stories. It's not a matter of privacy, it's a matter of common sense. There is nothing that says these devices if implemented for the whole population will wire you to the police station and get you arrested, your car just won't start, simple enough. Unless of course you are a habitual drunk driver you shouldn't even have an issue with any of this. I personally love to drink, it's a pass time of me and my friends to get drunk and watch football, go out clubbing, but the catch is that we don't get in a car afterwards. We plan, we walk if we have too. It's all the same reason that hunting while drinking is illegal, since that's exactly what you are doing if you drink and drive.
breathalyzer
you made some very awesome, realistic, points. The twist to my story is that I am one of those idiot drunk drivers. Honestly, I am embarrassed to say but.....I'm actually so afraid that I'll do it again that I am searching for one of the devices to purchase and have it installed. I don't want to take that chance that I'd be that stupid again, since I was that stupid several times and swore NEVER AGAIN, I would just rather be safe.
DUI while parked?
I left the sports bar to call for a ride...had two too many...thought I was doing the responsible thing...my cell phone battery was dead...I plugged the cell phone to my car charger...obviously the key was in the ignition turned to accessory so my phone would work...while on the cell phone in the parked car that was not running...in a private parking lot...calling for a ride home i was asked by an officer to get out...eventually I was taken to police station and issued a DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE. Can you believe that? Using the same logic...if a MADD cow is in the resturant with a steak knife in her hand...she should be charged with attempted murder...after all she had control of the knife and could have stabbed a patron or waiter! This has gone too faR! You should not be issued a DUI if you are parked. They can't read your mind!
This misses the objective.
MADD, once again, is teaming up with the government and the alcohol producers to lull us into a state of security. Still after 26 years, there are no statistics on how many injuries are caused by this illegal activity. We still live under prohibition, which sole purpose was to create VAT (value added tax) for Alcohol, Tabacco, Firearms and Pharmaceuticals. This money has never been used to prevent anyones injury or death. MADD is now just a puppet for a corrupt system. The founder is not involved anymore, was does that tell you.
Did you really just suggest
Did you really just suggest that there isn't data to support that drunk driving kills and injures people? I'm sort of at a loss as to how to approach this. So just in case you are still unaware, it's dangerous, and there are statistics that show drunk driving is deadly and causes people to be injured. I don't know what planet you live on that you think a car not starting for a drunk is a "false sense of security", since I'm pretty sure it would be an actual security if they couldn't drive anywhere. You sound like a hippie with the corrupt government talk and the ignorance that the money has never been put to use. That's what police are paid for. So unless you really don't want an invasion of privacy and prohibition to come back, why don't you get off your ass and start to think of some solutions. Cops can only do so much, the fact that all drunks are stopped and deaths are still an every day aspect of this crime is because your liberties haven't been taken away. You still have the right to get wasted and drive your car because no one is sitting in your home to tell you that that is a dumb idea.
meant to say "all drunks
meant to say "all drunks aren't stopped"