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Very good replies
I agree. It seems that users have forgotten that a framework is ( should be ) their business, not owned by CA, IBM, HP, etc. Fortunately it seems the trend is changing, more and more users are looking solutions which will support their business model instead of looking how to change their business to support some vendor "framework". That way even a large vendor system comes to point product, some are good but there is no way they can solve all problems to everyone. So, we need independent products and if the vendor "framework" is not open / standards based
it will be a dead end for user, sooner or later.