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Took the CCDE Written Beta Test Today

By michaeljmorris on Mon, 09/17/07 - 9:15pm.

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I took the CCDE Written Beta Test today. My first impression - that was a LONG test. 170 questions to complete in 3 hours and 20 minutes. It took me just under 3 hours to finish. It's much different from the 75 or 100 questions I am used to in certification tests. Around question #120 my brain started to hurt.

The test was not overly difficult. There were tough questions, but I'd say only 10-15 fell into the "I have no idea" category. Most questions I could relate to based on studying or past experience. That's not saying I got 160 right; far from it. But it was not beyond the realm of my skill set. More studying, particularly in key areas listed on the exam blueprint, would've made a big difference (duh, that's how all tests go). The questions felt like Routing and Switching on steroids minus the Switching. Then, add in most of the Service Provider CCIE track to fill out the 170 questions. There were questions about other technologies, but nothing an experienced network engineer wouldn't know or be able to decipher.

There were several errors on the exam. For example, the diagram would show routers "A, B, C, and D", but the question would ask about routers "B, C, D, and E". Some questions were very ambiguous (beyond the fact that some are normally written that way) and some answer options were opinionated in contrast to the others that were fact based. In the latter case, if you agree with the option that states an opinion, how could it be wrong? None of the errors were beyond what I would expect from a beta exam. All were fairly typical.

Despite its length, I enjoyed taking the exam. It did test core networking skills and concepts. There wasn't a single question that referred to IOS CLI or Cisco router hardware. All questions were based on network theory, standards, design, and technologies - not products. This is information I would expect and like to know at my level. It is also a nice departure from the CCIE Written tests that do test concepts and theory, but also require a lot of specific product knowledge. That was very prominent when I took the CCIE Voice Written test in July.

If you're wondering "did I pass", I don't know. Cisco doesn't provide a score for beta tests until the beta period is over. So, I have 8-12 weeks before I will know if I passed. I understand. They want to filter the bad questions and score on the good ones. However, that was the one down side today. I studied for several weeks, spent 3 hours doing 170 questions, and came away with a note saying "we'll get back to you in a couple months". I need my instant gratification!

Thanks!

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Do you have any idea when Cisco plans on publishing the blueprint (I would assume after the beta period)?

Also you stated that much of the exam was related to routing and service provider networking theory. Would it be fair to say that the test wasn't inclusive of many of the specialty technologies such as Unified Communications, Wireless, Storage, Security and so forth?

Thanks again for your willingness to share your experience with the exam!

RE: Thanks

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Your interpretations of the exam and blue print are correct.

Mike

Thoughts on the Test

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A couple of comments on your experience....

I think the number of questions involved was because it's a beta. I don't know much about the beta process, but I think they put more questions on the beta, so they can get more feedback on more questions, or something along those lines. I don't think the beta is indicative of the number of questions that will be on the final test, when it's published.

"Specialty technologies" will be included, as they relate to routing, rather than as independent topics. I'm guessing this will show up more on the practical test; the written test allows less opportunity for testing the relationships involved.

The overall goal of the test is that it won't require any Cisco specific information for any part of the certification--other than EIGRP, of course. You may need to read and understand configurations for a variety of devices on the practical test, but nothing's definite there yet.

HTH.

:-)

Russ

Practical?

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Russ,

Any idea what the practical is going to look like? I was under the impression that the practical wasn't going to get into the configuration side of things, it sounds like my assumption would be false. ( Personally I would like to see at least some knowledge of configurations tested, given that designing without such knowledge never bodes well for the implementation engineer.........)

Thanks!

RE: Practical?

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No info on the practical yet. They are waiting to finish the written beta, then will release more info on the practical.

You won't be actually

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You won't be actually configuring anything on the practical, but you might have to dig into a network to get specific information you're after to make decisions. In that case, you would run in to the actual configurations and information pulled from the device, which wouldn't be interpreted or given to you in any way--you'd just be expected to be able to make sense of the output off the device.

I think this is a pretty realistic concept of what folks at this level should be able to do--or at least I hope it is. I know I can't configure things without the books any longer, but making sense of a config is something I have to do for a lot of different devices on a fairly regular basis.

:-)

Russ

Thanks!

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Thanks again for the insight! I just recieved an invite to the written Beta so I guess I will get to expereince for myself the joys of this new exam. ;-)

Beta Exam Content

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Russ,

After having reviewed the beta exam outline I was very disappointed to see that the exam really just covers advanced routing design, was this the intention of the CCDE Panel? I really fail to see how an enterprise engineer/architect would benefit from this certification professionally, if they already have attained the CCIE. Granted I'm not trying to take anything away from what is covered, but it seems to be too focused on one single area of networking, and it is the job of a network design engineer/architect to bring multiple areas of networking technology together in a seamless manner. Hopefully the practical is less focused on routing and is broader in terms of the technologies covered. Based on the beta outline alone I see little value in this certification.

I have nothing but respect for the SMEs on the CCDE panel and have read books/publications and listened to some of them present at Networkers so I don't mean to disrespect any of those involved in this certification, but would have hoped that Cisco would have included individuals on the panel that weren't solely focused on routing.

Beta Outline

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I'll try and provide a couple of perspectives on this question, to give everyone a better feel for where this exam is going.

When we first began developing this certification, we started with a long list of what we wanted to test, or what we thought was important. The first thing we realized was: "Oh my, we can't test all of this stuff in the number of hours we have!" There is a practical level to what you can actually cover on a test of a given number of questions with any sort of depth. If you have 100 topics to cover on a 100 question test, then you have 1 question per topic--and, based on the professional testing folks we've been working with, this probably isn't a good idea. So, we needed to cut a lot of stuff out of the list, and focus.

Once we had built this list, we had to spend some time sorting out how we wanted to test for specific things. A lot of the technologies we wanted to deal with we wanted to test in relation to other things. IE, we didn't want to test 'where do you place VOIP gateways in your network,' but we did want to test 'what's the impact of placing VOIP gateways in your network on the network design?' We classified everything based on the way in which we believed we could test each thing--a simple multiple choice question, a practical, interactive question of some sort, or only on some form of truly person-to-person test.

Needless to say, this took a long time (in fact, this took longer than actually writing any questions).

What you find on the written beta is that set of topics we believed we could reasonably cover on a one hour test using multiple choice questions--so, it doesn't represent everything covered by the certification.

For a second perspective--consider that we didn't want the test to be Cisco centric. This pretty much lets out any sorts of questions on what sort of equipment to use where, what equipment capacities are, and that sort of thing. While we think this is all really important stuff, putting it in causes us to lose focus on other things (the breadth becomes to large), and it also dates the test--the test isn't useful after a year or two. This makes the usefulness of the certification in the field questionable--it becomes a question of what version of the test you took, rather than "do you have this certification."

For a third perspective: I will admit we're a little layer 3 infrastructure centric. :-) You'll find voice on the practical exam, as an application that challenges the network design, though, rather than as something to be designed independent of the network design. I think you can look at network design two ways:

o The network is a black box on which you are putting applications. You don't care how the network works, so long as it provides the services you need when you need them.

o Applications are placed on top of a network, so the network needs to be designed around those application requirements. This treats applications somewhat as "black boxes," and focuses on the network design.

There are folks on both sides of this design, and both sets claim the titles "designers" and "architects." One of the problems we've faced throughout is how to differentiate between these two. It's intentional that this test falls in the second camp, not the first, however. :-)

In the end, what you'll find is there is a lot broader set of technologies on the practical. The focus there will be on the interaction of various technologies--QoS, routing, various layer 2 technologies, and applications, like VOIP, web services, etc. The focus won't be on designing a VOIP deployment, but rather how a VOIP deployment impacts the overall network design, and how it will interact with existing services, or existing design elements.

So, it's a looking at network design from a slightly different angle than some folks might see it, but, we believe, in a more realistic way. VOIP will eventually rule the world, then there will be some other killer app that must be rolled out. The real test of a network design isn't whether it supports VOIP well, but whether it enables new services we've not yet thought of without disturbing the existing services. Does it work well when you add intelligence to the network in the future, or pull intelligence out? These are the hard questions we think are at the root of the network design problems we face.

HTH

:-)

Russ

Beta Outline

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I was doing something else, and a perfect example occurred to me that might help explain this a little. Virtualization, for instance, is something we've used in networks for years--X.25, frame relay, DWDM, and others, are all virtualized networking technologies. All virtualized technologies share some common characteristics--for instance, any time you introduce virtualization, you introduce fate sharing.

So, while you might not completely understand some new layer 3 virtualization technology that someone might come up with tomorrow, and a good network designer, you should always know to ask--you're virtualizing, which means there's fate sharing here someplace, and I need to go find it, and account for it.

Again, I hope this gives you some insight into the types of thinking going into the test development cycle.

:-)

Russ

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About From the Field

Michael Morris is a communications engineering manager at a $3-billion high-tech company. His background is in enterprise WANs working with telcos and developing large-scale routing designs. He has worked on networks at government and corporate organizations, including networks at two Fortune 10 companies. In his current role, he leads a team of 10 engineers responsible for large-scale IT networking projects and architectural standards for data networks, storage area networks, IP telephony, contact centers, and security. Michael is CCIE #11733 and recently became one of the first three Cisco Certified Design Experts (CCDE) ever (#20080002). He has 11 years experience in networking and communications, including four years as a paratrooper in the U.S. Army. He has a bachelor's degree in MIS from the University at Buffalo and is working on his MBA from NC State University. In 2008, he was awarded the Network Professional Association (NPA) Professional Excellence and Innovation Award for his work on network architecture, templates and enterprise MPLS design.

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