I'm pretty sure Apple has some nice stuff too, hitting the market about the same time as Creative's products. Too bad Creative don't do the designing job as well as Apple though, which probably is why the Zen Vision: M didn't sell anywhere near as much as the Ipod Video (even though the Vision: M is way better, it simply doesn't look good because of the size).

Re: Creative says new MP3 players coming soon
I think the competition between ipod, sansa, zune, creative and others is really tough. That’s why each of them is trying to differ some how. I’ve read (http://go.shopsansa.com/) that sansa launched new product – sansa fuze so they are trying to keep up))) too
creative zen 8 gb
I just bought a Creative Zen player...
Did you know that Ipods and Zune cannot download audiobooks from the library???
I love my Zen - It has audio, video, fm, Its awsome!
While IPOD and Zune duke it out--- Why is creative underplayed???
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