Well, I led last time with some discussion of 2500's, 261X's, and 1841's as possible options for routers in a CCNA lab. Today I'll add, at the suggestion from a couple of posts since Monday, a little discussion on 3600's, particularly 3640's, plus the 2620/2621 non-XM router line.
(On a personal note, I must say I'm enjoying spending a little time blogging instead of writing books - I can spout out some ideas without as much time/review/etc, get some others to comment and collaborate, and end up with a good discussion - it's very refreshing to get some interaction as compared to the relative vacuum when writing a book. Thanks to all ya'll - take the boy out of Georgia, but can't take the Georgia out of the boy - for posting so much already this year.)
This is part 3 of a series. Part 1; Part 2.
First, someone had posted a suggestion that 3640's might be good options. That got me thinking that I should look at 3620's as well - 3620's, 3640's, and 3660's were all based on the same technology, supporting mostly the same network modules, and were popular to buy as medium-powered routers for production network maybe 5-7 years ago. The 3620's, like 2600 non-XM models, only support through IOS 12.3, and no further, and buying all the parts to use 3620's in a lab add up to more than the non-XM 2600's - so I'll ignore 3620's. However, the 3640's do support the current-latest IOS versions, and the cost is reasonable, so they're worth a look.
3640's are a bit larger (2 rack units) compared to the other 1 RU routers we've looked at here. 3640's have 4 network module slots, and were often used for WAN aggregation in production networks. However, the used market has lots of inventory, keeping the price down. A quick peek at EBay shows plenty for sale that also have max memory of 128M RAM and 32 M flash, at around $200. However, the 3640 chassis only has 4 network module slots, with no fixed LAN interfaces or WIC slots. Translated, you have to buy at least 1 network module, or 2, to get at least one LAN interface and one WIC slot. For example, you could get a NM-1FE2W, which include 1 FastE interface and 2 WIC slots. Once you buy the router and NM-1FE2W, you need a few serial interfaces, so you can buy the same WIC-2T that you would have bought for the 2600's or 1841's.
Another posting suggested the non-XM 2620, which does have 1 built-in FE port, and supports trunking, which was a missing piece when buying the 261X non-XM routers. To be honest, I ignored 2620 non-XM's in the last post due to prior prejudice - last time I had looked a while back, the 2620's were in the $600-700 range on EBay. However, it's been a while, so I looked, and indeed the prices have fallen a lot. Like the 261X non-XM's, you only get up through 12.3 mainline IOS, but you do get trunking. To get 2620 non-XM's with max memory of 64RAM/32Flash looks like it takes around $150-200. (Note that the installation notes say you need a new 2620 boot ROM in order for the 2620 to recognize the 32M flash - it may be better to search for 2620's with all the memory and boot ROM in place.
So, where does that leave us with all the options I've brought up here so far? Well, first let's summarize the cost to get a router on EBay, with at least 1 Eth or FastE interface, plus 2 serial interfaces. I did a quick browse of the prices of components, but didn't try to find the absolutely lowest possible cost.

Next, I've revised the table to list some of the main comparison points. In the table above, the green columns show routers that can run the more recent IOS versions. (Note that in Monday's post I had incorrectly stated that 2610-XM's couldn't run the latest IOS's, but that was wrong - they can run more recent IOS versions.) Next, the table below summarizes a few other points, with an additional note of support for MPLS Provider Edge (PE) functionality. MPLS PE is where most of the fun stuff happens for MPLS VPNs, so for CCNP, which I'll get to next, you'll want at least a couple of routers that support PE. (FYI, even 2610 non-XM can act as Provider (P) routers in MPLS VPN). But as I said, I'll wait until I get into the CCNP stuff before looking at it further.

So, what'd I miss this time? Let me know what else you think we should consider, and then I'll move us towards wrapping up the router pieces of this CCNA lab puzzle, and move on to switches useful for CCNA preparation.
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Odom, CCIE No, 1624, splits time between writing books for Cisco Press and teaching classes for Skyline ATS. In his 25-ish years in the networking industry, he has worked as as a pre-sale and post-sale SE for a few networking vendors, as well as a network engineer implementing network technology. Wendell has spent the majority of the last 15 years teaching, consulting, and writing about networking technologies, most of which in some way relate to Cisco products. His books include titles on QoS, CCIE R/S, as well as several titles related to CCNA certification, including the September 2007 book CCNA Official Exam Certification Library (CCNA Exam 640-802) (Read a sneak peek of chapter 7). Click for the list of current titles by Wendell.
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Number of Routers
Hey Wendell,
When you get to the CCNP stuff can you talk about how many routers you think we might need. For instance I've yet to see a suggestion that gives how many of each router we may need. Also another important part of building a lab is the lab books, any good suggestions?
Good Routing Lab Books & other Cisco Lab Notes
CCNP Self-Study: Building Scalable Cisco Internetworks (BSCI) Second Edition Paquet & Teare ISBN: 1-58705-146-x
CCNP Practical Studies: Routing Henry Benjamin ISBN: 1-58720-054-6
The 1st book has an entire lab that can be made up of primarily 2503's or 2520 routers with only the requirement of a 2522 or 2620/21 with an NM 8A/S
The routers only require 12.3 Enterprise for everything except IPv6 which requires you to drop back to a Service Provider image.
The 2nd book requires 2520's or 2600's as you need routers with at least 3 Serial Interfaces
For Routing, most if not all functionality is supported by the older IOS's which will run on the older 2500 series routers just fine for a lab environment.
I think Wendell has overlooked the 2520's especially, since they come with 4 serial ports and are extremely cheap on Ebay for a 4 serial port router. A wic card for a 2600 cost more than your typical 2500.
If there are any purely routing based labs that cannot be done at the CCNP level with the appropriate IOS on 2503/2520 hardware, then I am not aware of them, but the 2 books I have listed above certainly seem to indicate that it is possible, although I could be wrong, since I'm not a Jeff Doyle. :)
The main problem I've seen with Cisco labs is having appropriate equipment for MPLS & Voice with the only viable economical option I've found so far is the 3640 which Wendall has already outlined as one of the best options so far.
Even the 2600XM's don't do MPLS, and on balance from what I have seen on Ebay, a 2600XM fully kitted out is not really cheaper than a 3640 with full flash/ram + a suitable NM for connectivity to the rest of your lab rack, and even if 2600XM's are cheaper, you still can't do MPLS!
The good news as far as I'm aware is in the switching area, you can pretty much still get away with 2-3 x 3550's and 2-3 2950T's which should be sufficient to take you all the way through to CCIE Routing & Switching for at least the switching component of the labs, at least that is my understanding.
Anything above and beyond what can be done on 3640’s ends up requiring 2800’s or 7000’s at which point Dynagen/Dynamips is the only really economical option.
A Cisco 877W is not too bad, since you can use it as your own home ADSL2+ router, which you can stick in what is effectively a production network connected to the Internet, which can run the latest IOS, will get you through the ADSL & VPN sections of the ISCW course & through the Wireless sections of the BCMSN.
And finally, the piece of equipment you absolutely must have is a Cisco 2511 Terminal Server. If you have more than 3 pieces of equipment, you are going to go crazy without it! :)
2520's Forgot to Add
The other good thing about 2520's, no transciever required, although they still support them. 2520's are the only 2500's that I'm aware of with a built in RJ-45 10BaseT port.
2520's - good option
Shaun,
Thanks for the heads up on 2520's - fits into a nice price-point area for a Frame switch as well. I added it to the mix in today's post. Thanks!!
Wendell
Lab books
Cisco Press just came out with a couple of lab books for the BSCI and BCMSN tests. I ordered them and received them a few days ago, but haven't had much time to look through them. The BSCI book was pretty big (over 600 pages I think) with labs from all of the major test sections. BCMSN books was quite a bit smaller.
I've always been happy with the Cisco Press materials that I have purchased in the past. Plus, it's usually hard to go wrong getting test prep materials from the vendor.
For the CCNP, I would get at least 3-4 routers. I don't know if you would need more than 6. But I haven't gotten into a lot of lab work yet in my studies. So this is an assumption based on what I've seen so far.
Lab books
Do you have the URL's for these?
I don't see anything new on the Cisco Press site for CCNP's
I am hoping you can prove me wrong though, as I will probably want them.
CCNP lab books?
Guys,
I've pinged my editor to see if he has any idea about a "CCNP lab" book of some flavor - I'll post once I hear back.
Wendell
Number of routers
ASajous,
Sure thing - I'm planning at looking at the lab guides for the 4 courses, so I'll list that for each course, and see if I can take a wild guess. If you don't see it (when I get there someday!), post again, but I don't think I'll forget. Thanks...
Wendell
CCNA Lab
I have a 2651 router, is that a good option as far as setting up a home Lab for the CCNA? Currently i have one 2651, one 2620 , 1 2950 switch and 1 1900 switch.
plenty good to start
Jamie,
You've got plenty to get off to a good start. You can do a lot with what you have, and if you added a third router, you could do some more interesting things with redundancy with routing protocols. However, you can test most everything with what you've got already!
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