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CCNP Lab Part 2: How Badly Do You Need an L3 Switch?

The single biggest cost for gear for a CCNP lab will be the cost of a layer 3 switch - assuming you really need one. Of the four CCNP exams, only the BCMSN exam requires a lot of LAN switch features. So, today, I'll examine the LAN switching features included on the BCMSN exam, and consider whether you really need a layer 3 switch or not.

First, let's break down the list of BCMSN exam topics. Here's a list with enough detail to make the discussion robust, separated separated by whether the feature is a layer 3 feature or layer 2:

Layer 2: VLAN, VLAN trunking, Etherchannel, STP, RSTP, MIST, RPVST, switch security features, LAN QoS, wireless clients, switch IP phone support

Layer 3: Layer 3 switching, EIGRP, OSPF, HSRP/GLBP/VRRP

To be honest, some features cover both layers 2 and 3. I've organized the above based on whether the features require a layer 3 switch (eg 3550/3560 with EMI software), or not. For example, Dynamic ARP Inspection is one of those switch security features, and in theory ARP includes part of layer 3, but you don't need an L3 switch to get DAI. Likewise, 2950/2960's with Enhanced images can mark the IP header's DSCP field, which is clearly layer 3, but the switches themselves do not forward packets at layer 3.

Next, consider the listed features that require a layer 3 switch.

  • 1. Layer 3 switching - To configure layer 3 switch, you create multiple SVI interfaces commands like "interface vlan 3" to give the switch multiple layer 3 interfaces, much like a router has to have interfaces connected to each local subnet.
  • 2. EIGRP and OSPF - both configure identically on layer 3 switches as they do on routers.
  • 3. HSRP/GLBP/VRRP - no differences in configuration on layer 3 switches as compared to routers; all three are supported on router platforms as well. You can even use them on 2610's (non-XM), which are pretty cheap on Ebay.
  • 4. Private VLANs - there are some Private VLAN mapping intricacies that require the VLAN interfaces on the L3 switch, but the configuration beyond what can be done on a layer 2 switch is not significant, and can probably be understood by reading.

In short, of all the BCMSN configuration features, the only things that can't be configured using another non-L3 switch or another router are layer 3 switching itself, and maybe a few small items like the extra mapping for private VLANs.

So, let's consider general prices for a moment. I didn't look hard yet on Ebay - I'll save that for once I converge on a few examples - but from the CCNA series research, it seems that you can get a 3550 SMI for around $650, a 2950 with Enhanced image for about $300, 2950 standard image for about $200. The 3550 SMI can be upgraded to the EMI image. As usual, the standard disclaimer applies - it's up to you to figure out if your company can upgrade the switch legally or not. Now think about those price differences in light of the above comments about the difference in what you get. In particular, the 2950's with the Enhanced image should support everything else you'd need to configure for practicing BCMSN topics.

So... is an extra $350 per switch worth it to you? Let me know what you think. Next post, I'll compare the 2950 standard vs enhanced in light of the BCMSN topics, and maybe even fold in a few words about router Etherswitch modules. And don't forget to weigh in on last week's survey about how much budget to spend!

Another way to look at it

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In Brad Reese's blog here http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/24856

I noticed the pay grade jumps from CCNA to CCNP to CCIE

The thing that struck me was, the pay jump from CCNA to CCNP was pretty good considering the amount of time and expenditure required.

Where as the jump from CCNP to CCIE is good, the amount of blood, sweat & tears you literally have to expend, along with the associated costs in time & money, a decent CCNP Lab & CCNP library stacks up rather well I thought?

I could be wrong, but that is what seem to jump out at me.

I guess it would depend upon your location as well though, but investing in a decent CCNP lab seems like pretty good value for money.

Nice breakdown

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Thanks for the good breakdown of what subjects are layer 2 vs layer 3 and what layer 3 functions can be practiced on a router instead. It's hard to know that on the front end of your studies.

I suppose the decision to go with a few layer 3 switches then comes down to how important it is to truly be able to replicate an all-switch environment that incorporates layer-3 functionality. I could see this being desirable in a few instances.

First, some people prefer to be able to follow along exactly with their study materials. They may not feel comfortable with the "similar, yet slightly different" experience of substituting routers for layer 3 switches.

Second, if you will be following lab books and scenarios that specify layer 3 switches and you don't feel confident in your ability to alter the labs to make substitutions to get the same effect.

While there are areas where going with layer 3 switches has its place, it's good to know that they aren't a necessity for CCNP study. Great article!

Layer 3 Switch

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I agree with the above poster, It all comes down to how comfortable you are about learning certain material. For some people who have came across layer 3 switches at work and feel comfortable skipping steps or substituting equipment, then the alternatives you gave above are great. But some people might not feel so comfortable skipping steps in their labs, and therefore their confidence is low when it comes to answering Layer 3 Switching questions.

So, what are you using for labs/practice?

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A and jrensink,

Interesting... so, while I'm trying to keep the lab cheap, it may be more important to match the lab. So... what lab exercises/books/whatevers do you think people are using for CCNP prep, specifically for practicing hands-on? I'm very interested to hear your opinions. Thanks...

Wendell

CiscoPress Lab Companion Books

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I personally have been using the CiscoPress CCNP Lab Companion Books. The CCNP 1: Advanced Routing and CCNP 3: Multilayer Switching are great for people who want very detailed labs and step by step instructions. The great part about the labs is the complexity increases throughout the book and it cause students to practice import steps over and over.

There is probably 30-40 labs in each book, but these companion books were made for the previous version of the CCNP tests so the CCNP 2: Remote Access and CCNP 4: Network Troubleshooting don't apply to the current version of the CCNP test. I think since current version of the CCNP test is so new that CiscoPress hasn't released the updated books, or maybe they aren't going to publish new lab books.

I actually became introduced to Cisco equipment by working through CCNP 1: Routing book while back at school and doing labs in their Cisco lab. Thats when I decided to self-study for the CCNA. But now since I've graduated I don't have access to their Cisco Lab, I've decided to build my own home lab. But I am curious to see if anyone has found any current lab books that cover the ISCW and ONT.

Hi A, If you go here:

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Hi A,

If you go here: http://www.ciscopress.com/markets/detail.asp?st=44737, you'll see a list of the 4 CCNP Academy lab books. I asked the editor to confirm, and the ONT and ISCW lab books are on schedule to be in stock at the publisher's warehouse on the expected date of March 28th. In my experience, it usually takes about a week to get them in stock at your favorite online book sellers after that. But you can at least get a link to the books, and see the ISBNs, and order now etc.

Wendell

Still early in studies

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So far I have just been prepping for my BSCI test, which I should hopefully be taking in 2-3 weeks. For study materials, I am using all of the Cisco Press Exam Prep and Self Study guides. I also have the lab companions (which I highly recommend).

Right now I use Dynamips (with the GNS3 front end) for my BSCI hands-on practice. I'm on the fence in regards to picking up used switches for the BCMSN. I primarily work with switches for my job, so I have a good comfort level there. I may be able to get by with a combination of studying, Dynamips for some layer 3 practice, and utilizing a spare switch at work. I'll probably know better after I get through one of my BCMSN books to see how much hands-on practice that I think I'll need.

I'm pretty much in the camp of "get the job done as cheap as possible", which is why I was glad to read your article. I now know that I have a cheaper route to take now by possibly eliminating the layer 3 switches.

Everyone needs to make the decision that's best for them based on their budget and their comfort level. The important thing is having all of the info to make a good decision on the front end. I think your article was a big help in getting people that info.

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About Wendell Odom

Odom, CCIE No, 1624, splits time between writing books for Cisco Press and teaching classes for Skyline ATS. In his 25-ish years in the networking industry, he has worked as as a pre-sale and post-sale SE for a few networking vendors, as well as a network engineer implementing network technology. Wendell has spent the majority of the last 15 years teaching, consulting, and writing about networking technologies, most of which in some way relate to Cisco products. His books include titles on QoS, CCIE R/S, as well as several titles related to CCNA certification, including the September 2007 book CCNA Official Exam Certification Library (CCNA Exam 640-802) (Read a sneak peek of chapter 7). Click for the list of current titles by Wendell.

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