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A Few Questions for you CCIE types out there.

As the title suggests, we're looking for a little information from CCIEs in the community. Since we spend much of our day researching certification related websites, it was only a matter of time before we got to the CCIE community. CCIE is a much respected certification and we'd like to help keep it that way. Up until only a couple years ago, braindumps for the many CCIE disciplines were unheard of. Now, however, it seems they're just as available as any of the other popular certifications, but much more expensive.

We've actually known of the many CCIE sites that claim to provide "Real CCIE Workbooks" for quit some time now, and have done lots of research on them. Unfortunately, we've not been able to do much with the information we've found and most of that information leads to other sites in the "ring".

We have been able to classify a couple of the CCIE sites based on affiliation or by specific verbiage, but since we're not CCIEs, some of the sites are much more difficult to discern. We're not asking you to classify any of the sites for us, but we would like to get some information from you that will help us to further classify some of these sites.

Obviously, if there are "Real CCIE Workbooks" on the market, there would have to be real CCIEs that created them (or at least that's the vision these sites are trying to create). From the appearance of the sites, however, those CCIEs are in no way affiliated with them. Unless I'm missing something, this would mean one of only a few things:

  • the workbooks were sold (anonymously) by the authoring CCIEs
  • the workbooks were stolen from the authoring CCIEs
  • the workbooks were falsely created and aren't even authentic CCIE material

So, are there CCIEs out there that sell their workbooks? Are the workbooks being stolen? Or are these sites all a scam trying to get money for something that doesn't exist?

This is speculative, of course, but if I were a CCIE and spent tens of thousands of dollars on equipment and thousands of hours developing my own study guide, I don't think I could give up that information for some of the prices I've seen on these websites. With that said, I wouldn't think selling your CCIE workbook is a common occurence, but is it?

Is there a market in selling CCIE workbooks and is it even legal to do so? I know it's your material and you wrote it, but for the candidates that purchase the workbooks and pass the material off as their own, this is still considered plagiarism.

I've scoured the Cisco Exam Policies, all policies seem to be directly related to the Cisco exams or candidates taking exams, but I've found nothing relating to the study materials written by indviduals studying for the CCIE exams.

Scam or not to scam? :)

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Well, there's all sorts of theories and ideas and mayhem running around out there... So let's start with a few.

1. The sites that offer "real" CCIE exams are really just people offering any sort of crappy labs they feel like. You really don't get any guarantee of authenticity or accuracy or timeliness of these labs anyway.

Who are you going to complain to about getting ripped off? Cisco? Yeah, there's a brilliant idea.

2. The sites are actually a front by Cisco "cheat-hunters". It's a quick way to give Cisco some extra spending money and find yourself banned for life.

3. They really are "real" labs, or at least close to "real" labs following the same sort of logic that the various braindumps for written exams do. Lots of people go take the exams and most likely fail them, but try to come back and remember everything that was on the exam.

What you get is a recollection, or interpretation of a said exam. Good luck with that one.

The interesting part is that people spend a lot of time, energy and money trying to find the "easy" way to get the CCIE. While there are some who manage to squeak past (yes, unfortunately, there are some way-not-brilliant CCIEs out there), for the most part the CCIE lab is not something you can memorize your way past.

Any time you have a certification that purports to bring people lots of money, you'll find lots of people who want the quickest and easiest way to get there. It takes time to fix. History has told given us that lesson time and time again.

I have mixed emotions about the whole thing. On one hand I hate to see people cheat and try to shortcut the way in instead of actually learning the information for themselves. On the other hand, it's nice because that provides me for an endless supply of consulting opportunities to go fix what other people have screwed up beyond repair!

:)

There's always ways to improve things though, and make it harder to cheat. But no matter how hard you make those ways, people will always strive to find them. (And many will spend much more time/energy/money than if they'd done it right the first time)

Just my two cents (or 3.5 anyway)...

Scott

Re: Scam or not to scam? :)

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Hey Scott, sorry I haven't had the opportunity to respond until now. Thanks for the reply, it was worth much more than two cents.

I agree, people always end up spending more money in the long run whenever they try to shortcut whatever it is they're trying to accomplish. The results may not show immediately, but they do eventually show.

I suppose this brings to light another theory; could some of the actual CCIEs be selling their study guides, knowing that there are indigents out there willing to purchase them? Doing so could not only benefit them monetraily (from the sale of the books), it could provide them with job security (from the lack of quality CCIEs in the industry). It's just a theory, I'm not making accusations.

Anyways, I don't suppose we have any "Anonymous" CCIEs out there that have purchased one of these "Real CCIE Study Guides", do we? We'd be interested in hearing about the quality of these guides compared to the work it actually takes to build one on your own.

Best Regards,

Robert Williams; Taylor Ripley
CertGuard, Inc.
www.CertGuard.com
http://www.networkworld.com/community/user/4864

Those real ccie workbooks

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Those real ccie workbooks are probably from an unsupervised lab testing facility. I'm gonna go head and say it...CHINA. Take a look at the Cathay school.

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About Robert Williams

Robert Williams is co-founder and CEO of CertGuard. Robert founded CertGuard after an 8-year stint in the U.S Navy, three years of college and five years in IT. While on a quest for more knowledge, Robert decided to work on earning a certification when he noticed the abundance of braindumps and illegal services that plagued the industry. Putting his certifications and further education on hold, Robert decided that it was time for someone to dedicate their time to preventing the spread of these illegal products and services. And CertGuard was born.

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