Any company worth spit and my resume will appreciate reading skillsets that specifically speak to EXPERIENCE. Sure the actual tool/skill may not be used the current job, but everything around today has been built on yesterday. How many times I have worked with younger colleagues who have been stumped with a tool because they were not familiar with its provenance and we all know that documentation never covers everything.
My resume is not about fashion and simply showing if I'm "hip" - it's about showing my experience, my tenure, my ability to learn new tools and develop my skills with the tools of the time in various projects.
This article is trite and beneath the level NetworkWorld commentary.
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Sorry Nonsense...
...but this is all true. I have been in the IT business since 1980 and the skills above are useless. We oldies need to realize that we can never rest our skills. I gave in at about 1994 that I had to keep up and my certifications were going to become useless. I have boxes of certs from various tests (yep, Novell was in there) that I should just burn but, they cost a lot of time and money. It is interesting, though, how many things have come back. I learned Ultrix in 1985...hmmm...virtualization; that's not new...
IT Skills not needed.....
Virtual this and that has been around for a minimum of 3 decades in one form or another. Mainframes have, and continue to have 'Virtual' in every aspect of the OS that dwarfs the distributive computing technologies of the day. Though it may seem as if I'm regressing, the reality is that mainframes continue to dominate big industry computing requirements and needs. The reason for this in my mind is simply that distributed computing did not inherit the secure OS, application/online security capabilities, backup/recovery, change management, and countless other disciplines from its big brother. I realize that small business is a major part of our economies, and that these business do not require the same computing power as the larger industries do, unfortunately they are being cheated out of simple computing disciplines that make them and the data they manage vulnerable to attacks and a threat to their own business processes, and partners. So for me, I would much rather hire or work with someone who has experience in these disciplines, and understands the technologies strengths and weaknesses than someone who has strictly acquired a skill without the proper depth of knowledge often missing in the PC computing world. Regards.
IT skills..
Jim, you are so right. Virtual is old and so is distributed computing even before Internet. Remember loosely couples, tightly coupled, multiprocessor, channel connected, shared disk arrays, shared network controllers, connected computer centers, etc (often heterogeneous, IBM, Univac, Burroughs, Honeywell, Dec and later VAX, Prime, Tandem, etc) systems. Same problems, different environment. Too often today, is it share all or share nothing, balancing, node security, backup and recovery procedures and methods, VM overhead in cpu or I/O, etc have problems which were often solved a long time ago, just forgotten.
Yes, I agree, there is something in computer history which is valid today! And maybe even more today than it used to be because of size of the systems? Of course you have to keep up with technology but problems are still same. There are some new ways to solve some of the problems but if you don't know what was done - how do you know not making same mistakes again?
very true, untl...
THe statemnet you don't need people with foundational knowledge is true, until you have a problem with an abstraction layer.
All your software development jobs are belong to us!
Fast forward to the future (2065 perhaps): where will you be then?
You sound like a p*ssed off old Cobol or Assembler guy, er, I me
You sound like a p*ssed off old Cobol or Assembler guy, er, I mean Dino.
skills not needed
Although the young "turks" seem to despise the old computer professionals they should not forget that they use what was developed by the old "Dino" guys.
Newton said that he was helped staying on the shoulders of the gigants...
You, young "turks" should thank old "Dino"-s for wht they created for you.
You "young" turks better start creating something new and LEARN that the good behaviour is a sign of civilization and education.
As the saying goes : " If you do not have old people, BUY them".
So young "turks" showa as what you are capable of... New thing not variations on the old things ..... Good Luck!
I am Turkish. Shut your
I am Turkish. Shut your mouth you insensitve fool. I do not despise "Dinos" or wherever you are from, I am a Computer professional just like you. Except from Turkey. I will point out that Turkey is one of the earliest civilizations and our basic abacus is the true forerunner of today's computers.
Trying to diffuse an National Incident
I don't believe the person who posted the previous email meant to be overly derrogatory when he used the term "Young Turk" (I will let him correct me if I am wrong). The link below shows what the term "Young Turk" has evolved into in the English language, and while I think the person who used it to comment, meant to possibly imply that younger IT professionals might not respect some of the older professionals (Dino's being short for Dinosaurs or Older people)in the Industry, I don' think he actually meant to insult people of Turkish decent.
http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19960917
chill, Turk dude, 'Young Turk' means good, 'Dino' is the insult
try google next time, person of Turkish origin, to find what means the phraseology, before accusing of us using English in proper metaphor
btw, the Random House def of 'Young Turk' was lame and opaque, though factually accurate...
'Young Turk', as used in America, always means a young, energetic, hard-working, hard-charging member of the forward guard, with a go-get-em attitude, relying on the most progressive thinking and zero tolerance for the old stodgy erroneous ways of the past... it's almost always a compliment, even when it's used as a back-handed compliment... it refers to those who want to jump right in and git-er-done... it's applied to workers in all kinds of careers, from lawyers to politicians to scientists to the elite new thinkers in any technical field
that's what the Random House web page shoulda said
negate all the positive words in the previous paragraph defining 'Young Turk' and you will have the meaning of 'Dino'