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My response to “my Vista 64-bit runs just fine"

I had several comments to my last posting "Are you ready to deploy Vista 64-bit? " These comments indicated that Vista 64-bit was a champ. Considering that my last posting was not necessarily my opinion. I wanted to weigh in on the comments that I have received.


Well, in some way I agree. Thanks to SP1 and recent advancements with driver and software support. Vista 64-bit is in a much better position than it was at RTM. However, I think you might be missing the point of the blog. This posting was based on an opinion of my friend, who was writing about the frustration he went through with Vista 64-bit.

Now, going back to your comment: "really have to say that I am not finding the issues described above with my Vista Ultimate X64 SP1 version." Yup, I've had the same experience. I run Vista on several different machines and for the most part it's a champ. Then again, those installations aren't really doing anything besides Office and web suffering. When I did decide to venture out and purchase a Windows Media Center machine running Vista 32-bit, I ran into a bit of frustration.

My mistake was deciding to install an aftermarket digital sound card into the machine. Needless to say, it didn't work all too well with my Vista system and my home theater system. After four months of troubleshooting with the vendor, they concluded it was a driver incompatibility issue with Vista (despite having a previously released Vista driver). I believe since then, they have released a driver that works, but I had given up and purchased a PS3 as a replacement. This was earlier this year, and last time I checked they still didn't have 64-bit version of their Vista driver.

Sadly, this is but one example. I also have a Web cam that crashes Vista, but works fine on an XP machine. Additionally, I can recall a number of instances where Vista (64-bit in general) has lacked in both driver and software support (yes even in 2008). Heck, an FDE vendor that I'm working with right now still doesn't support Vista 64-bit and will not until later this year.

Now, as for this statement: "SOLUTION: Tell the application vendors that if they don't support X64 then we'll go find one who does! That's how software changes!" I don't 64-bit support was the issue. The lack of support was Vista 64-bit support. Most likely, the vendor has an issue with how Vista 64-bit requires WHQL signed drivers. While I happen to think this was good thing, Microsoft for some reason didn't plan the transition into WHQL correctly, and the RTM release was left very driverless. Hence why I don't think this statement is correct as well: "XP 64-bit drivers more common than vista 64-bit?? Hello Cliffy, what color are the clouds in your sky?" There are more XP 64-bit drivers then Vista 64-bit.

Lastly, I don't think my friend was complaining about 64-bit Virtual PC, but being able to run Vista 64-bit as a quest operation system (maybe I'm reading what he wrote wrong).

Bottom Line:
One of the reasons why previous versions of Windows dominated the market place was driver and software support (actually maybe the only reason). Just look at Linux, certain builds are fantastic. But, driver and software support has always tripped it up, hence why you don't see major penetration into the consumer market place. When Microsoft released Vista, they forgot this and didn't really focus enough energy in getting the software and hardware vendors behind them. Instead they now playing catch up, while working very hard on getting Windows 7 out the door.  Things are getting better, but the damage has been done.

Instability claims

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I used to work for a computer repair shop. We got a lot of people coming in saying their PCs were crashing, blaming Windows. Every time, it was down to either a hardware fault or a buggy driver.

Memory or HDD faults are the most common. If Windows crashes, look there first. Badly written drivers could also cause problems with specific hardware, but that's hardly the fault of Windows or Microsoft.

The reality is, Windows XP itself almost never crashes, and I think the same is largely true of Vista now. Sure, there are bugs, but not generally instability.

So, before blaming Microsoft, remember that there are far more likely explanations for blue screens.

Err.....

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Please re-read my postings. I don't ever state Vista isn't stable. Instead, I keep stating that driver and software support has been been the problem.

Cheers

- T

Vista Reliability issues

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In October of 2007 I bought a Dell Inspiron 1520 and it came with Vista basic (x32). I quickly realized I needed to upgrade to a better version of Vista (no back tracking possible to XP).
I bit the bullet and bought Vista Ultimate x64. Being so new, there were a whole lot of bugs and drivers missing. After a few months of waiting... service pack 1 comes out and I re-formatted/installed windows.
Now I have absolutely no quarrels with Vista Ultimate x64. Any initial problems I had are now solved on Microsoft's side.

Any issues I have today are with dell. If I need x64 drivers or software related to the laptop hardware, they are pretty much non existent through Dell's Driver Center. Personally, I sometimes have to download "Non-Dell-Certified" stuff online which works better.

If you are not ready to look for fixes/drivers on your own, make sure your hardware manufacturer supports x64 drivers.

i love it prob and all

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i builit my new computer around vista , Mostly because i had been using a old p4 socket 423 i had built and loved. I build a $$700pc mostly "20" lcd
has vista ult and mac leopard on 2 diffrend hard drives. on a 2160 and a $60 motherboard a 1950 pro (herlps vista ALLOT) and 2gb of ram. XP64 is slightly daster pre vista sp1. But visa rocks completely and this is from a mac lover. It much faster than leapoard. Just not as easy on drivers or nesr as pretty of a gui. But gates has more than delivered , i have been using and no more spyware, crashes, reinstalls from spyware. rember the bad that comes wi xp also. the 64 bit thing will take time. rember how long it took to move from 16 to 32 bit. i have gotten everything to work all adobe products, corel anything ive tried on the net. games got updates then worked much better. Most big name hardware also and a best by cheep via chipset sound card. Work great with realteck built in controler at the same time. Voip mic and head set on the via and speakers on the reatek. I have a super hybred so all computer that dose just that wathces tv too LOL. XP wont do that and be cool at the same time , drivers will come they always do and late thats not MICRO$OFT$ fault right

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About Tyson Kopczynski

With more than nine years of experience in IT, Tyson Kopczynski has become a specialist in Active Directory, Group Policy, Windows scripting, Windows Rights Management Services, PKI, and IT security practices. Tyson is the author of the new book Windows PowerShell Unleashed (read a sample chapter and learn about the drawing for a free copy here). Tyson has been a contributing author for such books as Microsoft Internet Security and Acceleration (ISA) Server 2004 Unleashed and Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Unleashed (R2 Edition). He has also written detailed technical papers and guides covering various technologies. As a consultant at Convergent Computing, Tyson has worked with next generation Microsoft technologies since their inception and played a key role in expanding scripting and development practices. Tyson also holds the SANS Security Essentials Certification, Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Security certification, CompTIA Security+ certification and SANS Certified Incident Handler certification.

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