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How about setting up a website that list acceptable vendors of study guides and practise tests so no one accidentally loses their career because these companies that already have more money than they know what to do with feel the need to take the easy road of attacking the working man.

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Great Idea, But Who Validates The Process?

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As a holder of several top certifications, I have worked hard for each exam and despise cheating. But who validates the forensics (since this will destroy somones career for life)? In any investigation, there are always false positives. Legitimate people (even if only a few) will be caught unfairly. How will this be policed? If we let the companies make the decision whether their process is incorrectly destroying some people, will they publicly admit it without spending a life savings to go after them? I strongly doubt it. If I were wrongly convicted in China, would the government admit it and let the public know there was a failure in their system. same situation. In Public trials in the U.S. there are failures. There are subsequent appeal processes, lawsuits, etc. Is there a simple appeal process here and the willingness of the companies to pay reparations? Again, I like the idea, but left unchecked without overwhelming proof would be irresponible.

Re: Great Idea, But Who Validates The Process?

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The short answer to your question is "The Test Taker".

Basically, what happens with the forensics, as with any science, is that the certification vendors use these metrics as "flags". If certain flags are raised, then they bring the test taker back in for additional testing. Their certification status is base on that round of testing.

Best Regards,

So if you read the book from

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So if you read the book from them then use the test "cheats" to review for the test they can catch you? I have never studied for a test using a straight "brain dump", but have often used these kinds of materials the same way that I used a study guide for college exams.

Right

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We're supposed to believe that these tests are flawless? How are they going to handle it when they inevitably accuse an innocent person? The same way corporations always handle it, of course. Deny everything. Smear the person in the press. Throw lots of lawyers at them until they can't afford to go on. This sounds like another witch hunt. Has any system that attempts to prosecute the demand side ever been a good thing in real life? I can't think of one that has turned out well.

Re: Right

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You've got it all wrong. See my comments above.

Do you seriously believe that they would just call someone in, out of the blue, and accuse them of cheating?

Would YOU do that to someone? Believe it or not, you just did do that by accusing them of being 'witch hunters'.

Best Regards,

Off to get certified

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As I prepare to test for certification in ITIL v3 Foundation later today, I am glad to say I have never heard of TestKing or Pass4Sure. It seems that with these cheat sheets you'd still have to study...so why not just be legit about it.

Off to get certified

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That's the point. You are doing the right thing by studying. Now imagine they come to you in 2 weeks because their perfect (no such thing) code has picked you out of 1 million people incorrectly and they tell you that your "cheating" score will be posted on the "Cheaters" site. So a 99.99% perfection rate of the software has ruined you. I'm sure they will let people know that they have incorrectly destroyed you. People tend to remember the bad things you do that are posted on page 1 of the newspaper (figuratively). Corrections are hidden, buried elswere in a subsequent edition and never again on page 1. Too late - you loose (everything)!

Very poor arguments

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You make so many bold and unproven claims in this article that I'm shocked. Your statements about salaries dropping if we don't stop cheating is completely ridiculous.

Cheating or not, anyone in IT understands that passing a test, whether you cheat or not, is not a useful indicator of how much you know or how well you will be able to apply your knowledge to real life IT problems. Certification is a marginally useful mechanism to show that someone is generally familiar with the basics. Suggesting it carries any more weight than that is just silly.

Very poor arguments

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You make so many bold and unproven claims in this article that I'm shocked. Your statements about salaries dropping if we don't stop cheating is completely ridiculous.

Cheating or not, anyone in IT understands that passing a test, whether you cheat or not, is not a useful indicator of how much you know or how well you will be able to apply your knowledge to real life IT problems. Certification is a marginally useful mechanism to show that someone is generally familiar with the basics. Suggesting it carries any more weight than that is just silly.

Wow...

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If that kind of black-listing is going to be entrusted to the all-wise ones in the big companies, then I just become all the more committed to not working for those who require such certs. And not bothering with the certs at all.

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