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Gartner tells us all what we already knew about the Cisco WAAS, software quality and stability issues should make customers wary

 

Gartner tells us all what we already knew about the Cisco WAAS, it is immature.

A recent post on my blog asking me for comments on the latest Gartner Publication about the Cisco WAAS, prompted this posting.  The title of the Gartner article was Cisco WAAS Update: Client Feedback Suggests to Proceed With Caution and the date was September 17, 2008. A summary of the article says a few things that we most of us who see past the Cisco Marketing spin knew already, the WAAS has issues. Please remember before all of the bashers jump on the blogger, this is from Gartner and customers not me. I have my own comments at the bottom.

Gartner put this paper together after getting feedback from Cisco WWAS customers, so this is not a competitive company saying these items below. Gartner said problems with software quality and stability issues should make customers wary and that the product is still immature when compared with its competitors, and successful deployments can be difficult to predict.  They reported that customer are having issues with the Cisco WAAS and that is does not meet the Cisco standards and it has taken some accounts six months or more to resolve significant bugs.

Gartner said they have spoken with many customers both large and small that continue to have serious problems with the software of the WAAS. They went on to say that this poses a serious question with regards to the quality and reliability of the software.  They said technical issues that customer have reported such as the product stability is an issue, some large scale customer work well but other even smaller ones don't work well. Even with new releases of the software the problems have got worse.

They spoke of the deployment problems that customers have with the install of the WAAS in data centers and that due to the complex nature of the WAAS install it has Asymmetrical routes issues. They also talked about the problems the WAAS has with CIFS and how it drops the connections.  But the biggest one that I can see is the problem that the WAAS has with WCCP. Now you can use the WAAS with WCCP and for Gartner to tell everyone that is has issues doing so because it only works with a certain number of WCCP releases is huge. Customers find out during the install when they call Cisco but how can you have this issues?

One note that was worth reading in this paper was that they know of customer who have abandoned the deployment of the product or are about to and also that some are removing it from the network. Others who listened to the Cisco Marketing spin and purchased the product are now stopping deployment and are stuck in a rut because they have no more budgets to purchase another product that will work.

Now there was much more than what I have written above and it all says the same thing, the WAAS has issues and it is very hard to deploy and install. Now Cisco did come out with a rebuttal to the Gartner paper and I have to say, it is pretty bad. Some of the things they say within the rebuttal are just wrong. These are some quotes from the Cisco rebuttal,

This "biased and small sample" does not accurately represent the broader Cisco WAAS customer base or actual Cisco WAAS quality metrics - and thus cannot lead to optimal product recommendations.

The report comments are not echoed in comments made by other analysts

Cisco fixed this issue in Cisco WAAS v4.0.7, which was released in early 2007 through the CIFS server auto-discovery feature.

Customers should ask why Gartner has presented these challenges and issues only to Cisco WAAS, without referencing these challenges across the industry or other vendors.

But this one is the best:

The report incorrectly represents Wan Optimization Controller (WOC) challenges by highlighting certain challenges that are applicable to Cisco WAAS, while failing to mention that the same complexity and challenges exist for all WOC vendors' solutions.

Cisco not all vendors have issues with installs and they don't take hours to install one appliance.

Now I really have to hit that BS button on my desk to Cisco on a few comments they put into this rebuttal, they are below.  

Gartner Claims                                                                     Cisco Response

WAAS only works with a limited set of WCCPv2 / IOS releases

WCCPv2 compatibility is required by all WANopt devices. Cisco is the only vendor that validates interoperability with a broad range of routers and switches.

Cisco often recommends putting WAAS in-line, but then suggests full deployment done using WCCP

Cisco is the only vendor supporting WCCP and in-line with full network transparency. Cisco deployment recommendations are based on customer network topology.

Competitors recommend in-line configuration to simplify branch network deployments.

Competitors have limited support for WCCP and network transparency. Only Cisco offers full deployment flexibility: in-line and WCCP. The choice is up to the customer.

Cisco is the only vendor who validates interoperability with a broad range of routers and switches? Please give me a break, I know three other vendors that do this all day and every day with different software loads and news ones each time they come out.

Cisco is the only vendor who supports WCCP and in-line with full path transparency? Who wrote this from Cisco? This is just Cisco marketing spin and is very wrong, I can say I have installed another vendor in-path and using WCCP in the same customer at two different sites and it was fully transparent. If Cisco really think people are going to drink this Kool Aid they need to think again.

Cisco competitors have limited supports for WCCP and network transparency? I think the Kool Aid must be that fruit punch flavor because this is just wrong for Cisco to say this.

I am very sure that Cisco is going to respond to this blog, but these are the same issues we hear from people all the time so there is really nothing new other than Gartner wrote about them. From a writer and blogger I would ask Cisco again, when are we going to see a head to head test?  I would still offer to find one company, test the vendors in the customer's network and go with the results.  But we could always start planning to do this at Interop?

One person wrote to me, is Cisco going to take advice and scrap the product and put money into UC? Another wrote maybe with the down turn in the market they will just buy Riverbed; they buy everyone else when they cannot beat them why not Riverbed?

Cisco article

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Nice article Larry, I just went over it. We have the WAAS in only a few offices, maybe 5 out of 70. With the reduction that my friends are seeing with Riverbed deployments they did I have thought about pulling my WAAS out. Don't get me wrong it is ok, my friends Riverbed is better. But I am looking at what they have done with the RPS now with in the Riverbed.

I just don't think Cisco is going to do what Riverbed has or is going to do with the product. Maybe Cisco should hire you to run the WAAS product line, they might have a chance then. ;-)

Interesting read

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Just this year we have implemented WAAS at a few of our larger facilities. I have noticed some gains, but not the percentages that our Cisco partner had claimed we would see. We also have struggled with stability from time to time. Overall, I'd say it's not a bad product, but it is young. I'll give it time before I give up on it; but it has caused a small amount of frustration/disappointment.

On a side note, I am not trying to be rude, but do you review your articles for grammar, spelling, and sentence structure errors? There were a few sections of the article that I had to re-read just to understand the point that was being delivered due to poor wording, etc.

Testing

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I can say at Juniper we test every other vendors router and switch to work with our products. Cisco saying that they are the only company who does this is just an out and out lie. It is marketing spin by Cisco to cover up for a bad product that they have to sell at 45% off for customers to buy or give it away with a router and switch purchase.

re: testing

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hey Juniper guy,

Cisco says what? :)
In the over ten years that I had worked in Cisco (gone to pastures new, thank God) for the test engineering division this was never done. Furthermore, quality checks and deep testing were put aside so that features would hit the streets quickly, never to be tested properly again.
Time-to-market was priority over quality, every time.

my $0.02

Cisco is the Microsoft of Networking

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If you have no regard for security or stability and are willing to live with compromises due to under-engineered products then Cisco is for you otherwise look elsewhere.

For every complaint there

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For every complaint there are numerous cutomers who have experienced very psotive results with Cisco WAAS. Cisco WAAS is truly the only fully transparent solution, meaning no tunnels are needed. The setup is very easy, especially with the new release. Riverbed finally releases full Transparency ( IP & TCP header preservation) this year, but is quite cumber some to configure compared to WAAS auto-discovery.

It's funny that you tout

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It's funny that you tout Cisco's full transparency feature. What do you call this "Directed Mode" in WAAS 4.1? A tunnel. For all the noise Cisco made about how important full transparency is, it amazes me that they would take a step backwards and implement a tunnel solution.

Call a spade a spade

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Doesn't Cisco now offer the same kind of configurability that you get with Riverbed? You can take either transparent mode OR 'correct addressing' mode in WAAS now too!

Based on your logic, wouldn't it be safe to assume that "Riverbed too a step backwards and implement a transparent solution?"

Think about it for a minute. Go ahead, I know it hurts.

listen to both of you

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Listen to both of you, I say who cares. The Cisco product is still not good. We had to pull it out of our three sites when the Cisco engineers could not get it to work right after 5 months. Our applications were very slow, ping times were slow and even our VOIP Cisco Phones had issues.

Sounds like a RVBD FUD campaign

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Enough said. It's clear RVBD pays people to post here (or pays them a salary and this is how they choose to use it), it's a shame they don't realize how blatantly obvious it is.

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About Larry Chaffin

Larry Chaffin Ph.D is the CEO/Chairman and founder of Pluto Networks, a consulting and VAR partner specializing in WDS, VoIP, WLAN, Telepresence and Security. Pluto Networks is a leader in WDS-Application Acceleration, Full Disk Encryption, End Point Security and Telepresence. While specializing in the needs of large and enterprise companies, Pluto Networks has been concentrating on the SMB customers to provide them with the same great service as larger companies. Pluto Networks holds SMB specializations from our partners to service all their needs. Pluto Networks has become a leader in SMB VOIP using Cisco and Linksys to service customers.

Managing Cisco Secure Networks, Skype Me, Practical VOIP Security, Configuring Check Point NGX VPN-1/Firewall-1, Configuring Juniper Networks NetScreen & SSG Firewalls, Essential Computer Security: Everyone's Guide to Email, Internet, and Wireless Security, How to Cheat at Microsoft Vista Administration, Microsoft Vista for IT Security Professionals, Asterisk Hacking, 2008 VoIP and Video Conferencing, Infosecurity 2008 Threat Analysis and author of Building a VOIP Network with Nortel's MS5100, along with co-authoring/ghost writing eleven other technology books for VIOP, WLAN, security and optical technologies. Larry is currently working on a follow up to Building a VoIP network with Nortel's MCS 5100 Book as well as new books on Cisco Telepresence Networks, Practical VoIP case studies and WAN Acceleration with Riverbed.

Larry has more than 29 vendor certifications and has been working on many others. Larry has been a principal architect around the world in 22 countries for many Fortune 100 companies designing VoIP, security, wireless and optical networks. He has expanded over time also to include application acceleration or WDS. Larry is working with major vendors now on updating current certification tests to make them real world focused.

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