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Brocade and Cisco focus on channel partner profitability

By Brad Reese on Thu, 05/28/09 - 4:35am.

It appears that channel partner profitability has become a new focus for both Brocade and Cisco:

Barbara Spicek"General feedback from channel partners is that they are sick and tired of being driven down the low single-digit margin path and at the same time being asked to massively invest in a vendor partnership," said Barbara Spicek - Vice President of Worldwide Channels at Brocade.

"The great news here is that what we at Brocade are designing and launching in June is a program that is going to be all about Quality of Partnership, focusing on bringing profitability to the partner, and actually investing from our side in partner certification rather than grabbing into partners’ pockets."

Ken PrestiSimultaneously, Cisco has also focused on its channel partner profitability. Ken Presti a channel partner consulting expert noted: "Cisco has rolled out new incentives aimed at encouraging channel partners to more actively hunt routing and switching sales opportunities."

Presti also revealed that Cisco's back-end rebate to its channel partners on switches has grown from 10% to 15% and is now offered globally.

Apparently there has not been enough margin for Cisco channel partners to justify the work they encounter when trying to upgrade the installed base of $23 billion in Cisco network core products that are more than five years old.

For example, when Cisco reported its recent Q3FY09 financial results, its switching revenue plummeted 20% year-over-year (Cisco's modular switching revenue dropped 22% year-over-year, while its fixed switching declined 17% year-over-year).

An interesting comparison:

Recent Brocade F2Q09 financial results show that IP product revenue grew to 24% of Brocade's total revenue from only 12% in F1Q09.


What's your opinion, is channel partner profitability the key to a successful future for both Brocade and Cisco?

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Here is my solution to the Cisco Problem.

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I have posted on this before, Cisco need to overhaul the partner program to make partners more money. Until they come out with a new program, Cisco partners will not make that much money and neither will Cisco. Give more rebates on the back end does not fix the problem nor does it help Cisco make money. It is a really bad business decision from Cisco.

 What they should do is remove all rebates from every program for partners. Come up with a deal registration that gives Gold 30%, Silver 28%, Premier 25% and Select 20% off when a deal is registered. Then all other partners who want to try to sell to the customer get 5% off the products. This would allow all partners to make money and hold off other partners who want to try to get a sale. This would also allow smaller partners who have done all of the work to make money while telling the big partners you cannot sell to the customer unless you only want 5% off product. Also stop Gold partners from selling product at cost or zero percent off and just getting the rebates. I see this allot.

Right now you have every customer who buys Cisco knowing what the partners discount is and that they will demand to get almost all of it but a few points. Cisco Partners cannot live on a few points and then rebates. I have other vendors who I make 30% on with deal registrations; yes the whole 30% since other partners get below 8% they don't want to waste time on trying to sell into my customer. Why can't Cisco fix the issue and have partner make more money?

If you think about my idea above, Cisco would make more money on the bottom line by lowering discounts to partners and removing all rebates. This would still allow a partner to make 20% or more on Cisco products, this is not heard of in today's market. Maybe Chamber's should have called me to fix his channel program.

Waiting to hear from Cisco

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Hi Larry,

Waiting to hear from Cisco on this as I brought it to their attention, but no response so far.

Interestingly, received the following email message today:

"We are in the process of buying into an I.T company based in Dubai UAE. We have a large requirement for brand new Cisco, Sun HP equipment. As we are not currently approved / authorise partners I wanted to know what level of discounts we would get on the global price list."

Sincerely,

Brad Reese
BradReese.Com Cisco Refurbished

Larry is King!!!

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Larry has a great idea, but Cisco is too arrogant to call him and ask for his idea's or help. I remember he did a blog a while ago "what if John Chambers hired you as a consultant for a year, what would you change". Maybe it is time for Chamber to make the call, bring him to San Jose, make him a special consultant and have him help you.

We know some Cisco Marketing MBA will bring this up in a meeting, all of Larry's idea's and take the credit. Then Cisco will make it look like that they had these idea's all of the time.

I give Larry allot of credit for his idea's, to bad Cisco Systems hates him. Rumor is he did not get a media invite to Cisco Live or to the Cisco Partner Summit. Even though he is a small partner, Cisco should have invited him to get idea's. Never the less to cover if for Cisco Subnet. Shame on Cisco Marketing.

By the way, thanks for the drinks at Interop Larry, after SOME VENDOR stood me up for an after Interop chat. Larry was a phone call away.

Not so fast Brad...

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You imply that Brocade's IP business is growing, while Cisco's switching business is declining, with the proof being that the revenue contribution for Brocade's IP products grew from 12% in Q1 to 24% in Q2. However, Q2 was the first full quarter that Foundry's revenue has been included in Brocade's total. Assuming all of Brocade's IP product revenue comes from Foundry products, then that amounts to $121M (24% of $506M). Seems to me that Foundry was reporting > $125M in quarterly product revenue a year ago. It's too soon to say that Brocade is the only company in the business with growing switch/router sales. Let's give them another quarter.

Disclaimer: I have long position in CSCO

Brocade Revenue vs. Cisco Revenue

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Excellent that you have such a sharp eye, and good point!

It would be more accurate to compare Brocade's F2Q09 IP product revenue (which included the entire month of April 2009) to Foundry's F1Q08 product revenue (which included the entire month of March 2008), as they are the closest and most accurate comparison since we know that Brocade and Foundry had different fiscal reporting methods.

IP Product Revenue in Millions

Foundry's F1Q08 IP Product Revenue    $125.8
Brocades's F2Q09 IP Product Revenue $121.5
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                                                                            -$4.3 million (-3%) difference

However, according to Brocade, the number of Layer 2 - 7 ports shipped increased from 539,199 (Foundry's F1Q08) to 599,498 (Brocade's F2Q09).

A 60,299 (11.1%) increase in the number of ports shipped.

Furthermore, according to the Dell’Oro’s 1Q09 SAN Report released by Brocade today:

TOTAL SAN SWITCH MARKETSHARE

Brocade gained over 14 percentage points in worldwide market share of the modular Fibre Channel switching space.

Brocade gained just under 4 percentage points of the fixed switching market globally since the previous quarter.

Cisco lost just under 10 percentage points of the overall worldwide FC switching market share in the same time period.

Dell’Oro’s conclusion is that the Brocade and Cisco results stem from both product and business issues: Brocade has a more advanced Fibre Channel product and is likely benefitting from Cisco’s channel conflict.

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Sincerely,

Brad Reese
BradReese.Com Cisco Refurbished

Agree with Larry... its broken...but how to fix it...??

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Personally when a vendor starts focusing on the rebates, in an attempt to control the price floor of the market....they have become a retail brand.....(might as well be selling TV's or printer toner..)
The value part of the transaction... is leading the design and POC phase of the process....This is what should be rewarded (unless the vendor is giving this away for free). VMWare for example, does a good job of this..., and if for commercial rules, the client goes to market in a multi bid for supply process, there is always some partner who will buy the deal at a loss.... (As to how these people stay employed....is a separate discussion).
I haven't yet seen a good way for a major vendor to manage this issue, apart from rewarding the lead up activity at the point the transaction gets booked.....(lets face it.. a rebate for the design in work, with nil cashflow exposure when the supply is done at nil margin...is not a bad deal..? Let some other idiot company lose money on the supply if they want to transact it for a loss....we know where they will be in 2 years...)

...however IMO, when you are number one in a market, and your partners live on crumbs if they are lucky.....you only have one direction to go...

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