Cisco reviewed my March 3, 2009 blog post:
Miercom lab test results: Brocade DCX vs. Cisco MDS 9513 and 9509
And brought to my attention that it has also worked with Miercom on director-class switches from Brocade and Cisco using the same test methodologies but with different 8G line card configurations.
Source: Miercom
Brocade Statement Regarding the New Cisco Miercom Lab Test:
This report contains no new information. We’ve dispelled these claims in a detailed report of our own, see the report on Miercom's web site. An executive summary is also available for download.
Their testing focused on maximum aggregate throughput and scalability using 8-Gbps traffic generators, along with real-world 8-Gbps application traffic. In-depth analysis of power consumption, reliability, and management was also conducted.
Based upon these test results, the Brocade DCX Backbone was rated best in scalability, throughput, and energy efficiency, and proved to have "very effective high availability capabilities". Quotes from the February 2009 Miercom Lab Test Report include:
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"The Brocade DCX proved in testing to offer four times the number of ports that can be used for dedicated 8-Gbps line rate traffic simultaneously compared to the Cisco MDS 9513."
"The Brocade DCX proved in testing to offer four times the number of ports that can be used for dedicated 8-Gbps line rate traffic simultaneously compared to the Cisco MDS 9513."
"Brocade DCX passed the industry's first 128 port full 8-Gbps Fibre Channel test without frame loss."
"The Brocade DCX proved more capacity than the Cisco MDS 9509 and 9513 on tests for overall aggregate throughput."
"The Brocade DCX reflects an almost three times reduction in power consumption when compared to the Cisco MDS 9513."
"The Brocade DCX is clearly designed to exceed data center customers' reliability expectations."
"Two DCX switches could interconnect using up to four ICLs with no ports sacrificed to provide capacity for up to 768 ports of 8-Gbps Fibre Channel."
"The DCX with two 48-port 8-Gbps blades delivered full line rate performance using the 256-Gbps slot-backplane bandwidth available combined with local switching."
"DCFM (Data Center Fabric Manager) is an effective tool to assist administrators to optimize storage resources, maximize performance of the system and help maintain security."
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The Brocade DCX supports 4 times the number of 8-Gbps ports as the Cisco MDS 9513, even without local switching.
For more information please visit: http://www.brocade.com/data-center-best-practices/competitive-information/performance.page
As evidenced by our recent market share gains in the Fibre Channel switching space, reported by Dell’Oro, we believe that customers clearly view the DCX as the superior storage networking platform.
Source: Miercom
Cisco Response to Brocade's Statement:
Contrary to what Brocade stated, the April 2009 Miercom Report contains additional test results for the Brocade DCX that were not included in the February 2009 Report. The new results are described beginning on page 4 under the heading, "Mixed Speed Tests" and continue through page 5. The report states:
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"Cisco MDS proved it could pass all tests with the mixed speed environment, whereas in certain conditions the Brocade DCX would exhibit a reduced throughput by as much as 50% for the 8-Gbps connection from 840 MBps to 420 MBps when concurrent mixed speed traffic load of 31 ports of 4-Gbps traffic was applied."
"The DCX also exhibited varying ranges of latency in excess of 100 usec in some of the test iterations."
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In the April 2009 MDS vs. DCX report, Miercom found Cisco MDS 9509 and 9513 Director Class switches with 8-Gbps fibre channel traffic load to offer the most reliable and non-blocking throughput as compared to Brocade DCX. Miercom also presented Cisco with a Rated Best Miercom Award for the MDS 9509 and MDS 9513 at EMC World, April 2009.
According to Miercom:
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"The MDS 9509 and 9513 outperformed the DCX in fully loaded line card tests with error free throughput. The MDS 9509 and 9513 also proved to be the only products that could handle full 8-Gbps Fibre Channel traffic load without reported error or frame loss during any of the tests conducted regardless of the testing configuration."
"The Cisco MDS exhibited no frame loss, sequence errors or other anomalies during our testing. Additional stress tests conducted were unsuccessful in causing the Cisco MDS to fail with error conditions or dropped frames. The MDS exhibited predictable performance throughout testing and our engineers described the testing as "uneventful". When testing the Brocade DCX, frame loss and sequence errors were reported by both the Finisar and Agilent test equipment which was set up with different but similar test tool configurations. This was specifically observed when using the Exchange Based Routing feature, which is the default routing policy for the Brocade DCX."
"When Fibre Channel switches were compared in extreme environments with mixed speeds (2-, 4-, 8-Gbps FC), and are required to handle close to line rate capacity, only one product passed all mixed speed throughput tests--the Cisco MDS."
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Source: Miercom
Brocade's Final Take on both the Cisco Response and the Claims Made by the New Miercom Lab Test:
Figures... here is our official response to Cisco’s claims:
1. We have done stress tests with the DCX for real-world (not useless, hypothetical environment) Fibre Channel applications and the DCX passed with flying colors.
2. It was only in February when Miercom declared the DCX as "best in class."
3. As indicated by our recent marketshare gains, customers are voting for Brocade with their wallets because they know Brocade builds quality, high-performance storage networking products such as the DCX and we’re committed to the Fibre Channel market for the long-haul.
The rest of Cisco’s points are based on contrived, gerrymandered nonsensical tests and we refuse to engage in such baseless and specious arguments.
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Why do I get a sense that this scrappy competition between Cisco and Brocade is actually a very good thing for enterprise customers?
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Sour Grapes
If the Miercom test showed the opposite results Brocade would be walking around with the chest out, and you would never hear a peep from Cisco, they would take it on the chin and move on, however Brocade sounds like the little whiny child that is screaming "no fair, do over". I am sure their internal testing proved to them that their product is superior, but the quasi-independent test said otherwise. Shut up, take your beating and make your product better next time. Cisco is not McData, they will eat your lunch at your table, and then poop in your toilet without flushing, and leave it for you to find.
Cisco Restrooms
Your comment states:
Thanks, is the above statement the reason why Cisco's restroom janitorial staff were so numerous before the recent layoff:
Use the Cisco restroom at your own risk
Sincerely,
Brad Reese
BradReese.Com Cisco Refurbished
Respect please
Brad, this is not funny: you should be one of them, so you'd understand the situation better rather than make jokes about it. Please be considerate and respectful.
Toilets at the Ford Foundation
True story:
At night, I used to clean the toilets of the beautiful Ford Foundation headquarters in New York City.
I specialized in cleaning the extravagant and sumptuous private marble bathroom and office of the President of the Ford Foundation.
Also, loved to clean the office and toilet used by the Ford Foundations' Chief Investment Officer.
I called it "reading and cleaning."
If it was on top of a Ford Foundation executive's desk, I read it!
A lot of the really, really juicy stuff to read was already in the Ford Foundation executive's desk wastebasket when I emptied it.
So I have very, very good appreciation of janitorial staff, which appears lacking at Cisco!
Sincerely,
Brad Reese
BradReese.Com Cisco Refurbished
a link?
A Brocade/Cisco link discussing Data Center technologies leads to McData and feces discussion with Brad finally posting a link to Cisco downsizing on Janitorial staff?
I don't see the link.
Cisco has cut engineers, marketing, etc with the recent economic downtown and the only ones that got press were the out-sourced Janitorial staff.
For a guy that bases his business on reselling Cisco gear, you've got no respect for the company that you leech off of.
Disagree!
Disagree!
Yours truly initiated the following story for Network World:
Cisco quietly downsizing through outsourcing
By the way, I've got immense respect for Cisco, perhaps you may have not noticed my following web pages:
Cisco Tools
Cisco Blogroll
CCIE Water Cooler Gossip
Cisco vs. Competitor Lab Tests
Cisco Product Quick Reference Guides, CPQRGs
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Cisco ROMmon Recovery Procedures
Cisco Technical Forums
Worldwide CCIE Count
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Leechfully yours,
Brad Reese
BradReese.Com Cisco Refurbished
Disagree with what?
I asked where is the link and you write "Disagree" ? What are you disagreeing with?
I asked how the discussion went from Switching, to feces, then to you posting a link to Cisco downsizing on it's janitorial staff and you can only write "Disagree" and credit yourself for written an article (read: steal ideas) based on information already published?
Your respect for Cisco is just a bunch of links about CCIE numbers and how to fix equipment. Nothing ever positive comes from you. Still can't believe you try to sell refurb Cisco and also push Adtran routers? Who uses those. Maybe it's just your link to the former CEO? Good ol' boy network?
NetworkWorld
So what? Even if Brad only posted negative comments about Cisco, does it matter? NetworkWorld is basically an advertising platform for Cisco. Does "Cisco Subnet" sound familiar? How about he recent UCS announcement? You would think the laws of physics changed because of UCS if you follow NetworkWorld. The whole world has changed, apparently.
Adtran Netvanta is a good product. Lots of people use them. Adtran has a growth record. Look it up. So people indeed are buying their products.
haha
"Growth record?" They are in the "others" section of IDG/Forrester, which means less than a couple of percent share. I guess if you sell 100 routers one year and 200 the next, you'd had a "growth record" of phenomenal sales.
They don't have the budget
They don't have the budget to pay Forrester, NetworkWorld, and the rest of the hacks off...
Still, they have been making a profit continuously on the AOS and Netvanta for a long time.
When you get done checking with everyone else on what you should do, take some time to evaluate AOS yourself...
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