Last week, Avian Securities Senior Telecom Research Analyst - Catharine Trebnick said in her research note:
"In the Carrier Ethernet segment, the market is extremely competitive and according to our industry sources, pricing is in free fall. Operators are selling IPVPN with Cisco pricing at the high end and /or Adtran pricing at the low end and are keeping Juniper routers just where they are in the network, close to the core.
"This dynamic changes our original thesis, that the Juniper MX Ethernet switch would gain traction in some accounts as operators retired their CSCO Catalyst switches. In addition, our industry contacts have indicated that Cisco is pushing their ASR 9000 at very competitive prices."
Interestingly, Cisco has been promoting the competitive performance test results between its ASR 9000 vs. the Juniper MX960. It hired Miercom to conduct a test that came up with following results (take these results with a grain of salt … keep in mind that Cisco paid for the test, the test was conducted in a Cisco facility in San Jose, and the test cases "were based on parameters set by Cisco," Miercom says):
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Cisco ASR 9000 hardware architecture protected high priority traffic under all congestion conditions tested. The Juniper MX960 failed to maintain high priority traffic under the same conditions. |
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Fabric-based multicast replication of the Cisco ASR 9000 architecture, proved to be more scalable and resilient than the Distributed Tree Replication (DTR) multicast replication scheme from Juniper. The Cisco ASR 9000 protected both IP Video and Video on Demand (VoD) traffic at all times regardless of the type of failure. |
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Cisco ASR 9000 achieved zero packet loss for all services during High Availability testing. The Juniper MX960 demonstrated unpredictable and severe packet loss depending on the type of failure, under moderate service scale. |
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During link failures, the Cisco ASR 9000 converged up to sixty times faster than the Juniper MX960, protecting services and reducing service outage to a minimum, under moderate service scale. |
View the complete Miercom Cisco ASR 9000 vs. Juniper MX960 lab test results as well as more results of Cisco vs. Competitor Lab Tests.
What's your take, will the Cisco ASR 9000 kill the Juniper MX960?
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Miercom - are you kidding?
Why not quote Tolly or just re-print a Cisco marketing test? Any of the three would give you the same level of objectivity. Miercom is a paid mouthpiece just like Tolly was/is and any technically competent customer sees them for the "highest bidder wins" biased shill that they are.
I have no idea how the MX960 compares to the ASR9000 but I certainly wouldn't look to Miercom to find out.
So who would you look to in order to find out?
So who would you look to in order to find out?
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A real testing facility
I would look at a real, third-party, vendor-neutral facility who designed the tests themselves. Yes, when a vendor pays *anyone* to test their equipment, there is always going to be an inherent bias towards the paying vendor's kit, whether it's Cisco, Juniper, Foundry, or any other network vendor.
Cisco released a report years ago pitting the Catalyst 7600 against a Juniper M10i which was filled with falsehoods and tests specifically designed to take advantage of hardware/chip limitations of the M10i. Mind you, these were *specifically designed* - not anything that you would *ever* see in the real world. I am sure that the same thing happened here and you can bet that Juniper engineers will be getting copies of the configurations to see what was done to give Cisco the obvious clear advantage.
Which one is better? No one knows because no one has done a vendor-neutral test. Mr. Reese, you should know full well, even if you are drinking the Kool-Aid, that Miercom is bogus. Seriously.
Well, that's a first: Brad
Well, that's a first: Brad Reese being accused of drinking Cisco Koolaid.
Didn't Juniper rig a test a few years ago where they "demonstrated" HoLB in the 7600 that was really just a matter of oversubscribing an egress port?
Complete Malarkey
These tests are bogus, don't believe what Cisco paid Miercom to publish.
What they also fail to disclose is that Top notch Cisco talent is right beside them during these tests (on the fly bug fixes occur) to optimize one vendor over another.
I would love to battle the ASR against an MX960. I will bet the results will look quite differently than they appear above.
Bottom-line, Juniper was at a big disadvantage during these tests, was a certified Junos expert even on-site?
Are you saying?
Hi Junos Lover,
Are you saying that the ASR 9000 is not beating the MX960 in winning new deals with carriers?
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You can say that. You can
You can say that. You can also ask the question as to why the two are being compared. Certain models of the ASR can could be categorized with the M series depending on the customers requirements and future scalability needs.
Trust me, I sell Juniper gear. Its funny because I'm actually going against ASR right now with an m7i setup at a customers and Cisco cant send an IOS-XE resource if the company depended on it, so their gear has so far just sucked up power. Juniper has had a modular Networking OS since its inception, Cisco is just starting to wrap their brain around this concept so who would you buy??
So far, I win.
The MX960 is a BFR/S and completely outfitted blows the doors off any ASR.
The topic here is the
The topic here is the ASR9000; why are you bringing up the ASR1000?
"Trust me, I sell Juniper gear." -- good one!
You are talking about IOS-XE
You are talking about IOS-XE based ASR1000. Brad is talking about IOS XR based ASR9000.
What? were you going to post
What? were you going to post those two ASR wins? lol, you crack me up. You can tell you were never any good.
Fact is both those providers you spell out also run Juniper and the ASR deployment is a very small piece of the pie.
Your a joke
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