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CCIE R/S Lab Troubleshooting: Initially Shocked, but Wasn't Too Bad

2 hours; 10-12 trouble tickets; but 30-40ish devices – Yikes!

By wendell on Wed, 10/28/09 - 6:37pm.

So I'm sitting at the CCIE R/S lab Beta, and beginning the part I was sooooo looking forward to - the new 2-hour troubleshooting section. 2 minutes into that section, I was completely bummed. It seemed too much to even attempt. 40-ish routers and switches... 10-12 trouble tickets... 2 hours... plus a new user interface. But by the end of the process, I had completely reversed my opinion - I thought it was completely reasonable. Today, I'll describe the process and draw a few conclusions about the t'shooting section.

First, a little context is in order. The day began with a brief talk w/ the proctor, and a look around the parts of the user interface you could see before starting the timer. Then, it was time to start a timer and then answer the open-ended questions. Cisco didn't require that the Beta candidates pass that part - they wanted the labs, process, interface, etc tested - so then it was time to click start to crank up the t'shooting part of the lab.

(I'm assuming you read my last post, which talks about the GUI; if not, go here.)

There was no physical lab book, but there was a window that you could display that lists the various t'shooting tasks that I would refer to as trouble tickets. Each task or ticket describes a problem, eg, PC1 can't ping PC2, intervening routers should be set up to do x, y, z, make it work, that kind of thing. I can't say how many I had, but I did get permission to say 10-12 tickets is typical. Just my opinion, but that number may change over time, particularly as they build more, some of which may take longer or shorter time.

The GUI actually worked pretty well for reading the tickets. The t'shooting tasks could be easily scrolled from the window that displays the tasks. So if I looked at my list, thought about doing numbers 3, 5, or 7 next, it was quick and easy to review each briefly. Because the tickets did not seem to be dependent on each other, it seemed a good strategy to do the easiest for me first, ignore those for which I had no current knowledge of the config, and get the tweeners in between. (Your tickets might be interdependent - they just weren't in my case.) Regardless, the GUI made it easy to navigate to the trouble ticket I wanted to tackle next.

The shock in the first few minutes was the unveiling of the topology figure. 30-to-40 or so routers/switches interconnected, lots of redundancy. Yikes! On top of that, I came to the lab with the typical strategy for doing the config section, planning to get a good handle on the topology before doing any of the exercises. However, a 4X bigger topology than a typical config topology made that difficult. Plus, the information in the figure was a bit sparser than the typical multiple view figures for the config section. So, going in with my "understand the topology" strategy was not good, particularly in light of the time constraints.

An interesting aside: the config section continues to be performed on real gear, sitting in a rack somewhere else (I think San Jose, not sure, but it wasn't next to us in Raleigh). But the big t'shooting topology was on a "virtual environment", to use the approved description. So they don't have tons of 30-to-40-device pods waiting on you. I don't know where those instances were hosted, but the response time was better on the t'shooting labs than in the config labs.

The individual tickets were clear and fair. Plus, they were not long - after reading through them all at once, on the 2nd time through, it took maybe 10 seconds to re-read, and it was time to get into the consoles. So, there was only a little time consumed to understand each issue.

Is notepad available during troubleshooting section?

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Hi Wendell

Thanks for your article.
Re your point on taking notes, is notepad available during ts section?

Dunno - let me ask

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Hey Roy,
Never looked. Let me ask and see if I can find out - will post it here.

Wendell

Notepad would be great.

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Thanks WO very useful. I have read stories of dredd and fail so far. People running for shelter and saying their dreams of CCIE are now over, they are not going even try and pursue it anymore.
Yeah way to go, quit now eh? In fact stay in bed your whole life and never leave home. Bunch of girls.

The amount of times i copy the running config out of a swicth/router/FW is part of daily "it is broke and needs fixing" working out. That would be a help having notepad. If Cisco want to make the CCIE more "real life", give us the tools we use daliy (not subnet calculator BTW LOL).

To be honest that is good that you can pick off the questions you find easier, (i did that in the CCNP sims).

BE.

http://bigevilsciscoworld.wordpress.com

A bunch of girls???

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A "bunch of girls"??? Really??? I know a bunch of girls who would beat most guys in technical knowledge. I know a bunch of girl CCIEs. I know of bunch of girls who love to take on challenges. I've never heard a girl whine that she couldn't get her CCIE because her employer wouldn't pay for it, but I've heard plenty of guys say that. So if you meant to insult the wimps who are scared by an exam change by calling them "girls", then I think you failed. Maybe you should have called them "little boys" instead.

My two cents. Apologies for the rant.

I took the beta with Wendell and I did use Notepad. It was available for the beta at least.

Links

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The links don't appear to work?

Sorry... copy/paste does

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Jon,
Sorry about that. I'm concerned that if I edit it at this point it'll kill the associated posts. If you copy/paste the text into the browser URL field, the links work - you just can't click them and have them work. Sorry about that...
Wendell

Different Severity Levels?

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Hi Wendell,

I gathered from your post that problem tickets aren't ranked by severity. If Cisco are trying to add content that is more applicable to the real world, wouldn't it make sense to have different severity-level faults? Say, 1 Sev-1, a couple of Sev-2's and a bunch of Sev-3's? Then fix them in order?

Not that I saw

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Hey Franky,
Nope, no indication of severity. An interesting idea, though. Thanks for the post.
Wendell

pass

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Hi Wendell,

did they say whether you passed or not? 40-ish routers, wow.....

No pass for me...

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Kenyone,
They didn't say - we'll get our scores in a while. The priority is to process the feedback and make any changes for the paying customers, then they'll make scoring adjustments if it's clear that folks lost points because of a mistake or issue in the Beta version. But I for sure didn't pass - I didn't even attempt enough points. Had I studied as if I really had to pass, I thought the test I had was fair and passable. I particularly noticed how slow I was on things I knew well once, but for which not all the commands leapt to mind when I read the scenario.
Wendell

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Odom, CCIE No, 1624, splits time between writing books for Cisco Press and teaching classes for Skyline ATS. In his 25-ish years in the networking industry, he has worked as as a pre-sale and post-sale SE for a few networking vendors, as well as a network engineer implementing network technology. Wendell has spent the majority of the last 15 years teaching, consulting, and writing about networking technologies, most of which in some way relate to Cisco products. His books include titles on QoS, CCIE R/S, as well as several titles related to CCNA certification, including the September 2007 book CCNA Official Exam Certification Library (CCNA Exam 640-802) (Read a sneak peek of chapter 7). Click for the list of current titles by Wendell.