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You used a WRONG picture in slide 6By Qiangning Hong on May 17, 2008, 9:53 pmIn slide 6 "#5 It's censored", the picture you used is nothing relative to the censorship. It is for another law in China, "Child who is younger than 18 years old is prohibited from Internet cafes" (http://www.gov.cn/flfg/2006-12/29/content_554397.htm 4.36). The children in the picture are obviously middle school students, according to the uniforms on them.
Viagra anyone?By Anonymous on May 22, 2008, 4:42 pmI get alot of spam from online pharmacies pushing viagra and cialis and a virtual cornicopia of sexual enhancements through the wonders of the modern day pharmacy. Most of them have the .cn suffix on them. At first I thought it meant they were from Canada which made sense considering the plethora of news articles concerning people from America buying from Canadian pharmacies to save lots and lots of money over buying the same drugs in America. Then one day I found a list of geographically based suffixes and where they came from and I saw the .cn was from China. If you are going to make a blanket statement and say that China is only producing 4% of the world's spam then they must be sending all of it to me. I keep blocking and they keep sending. I guess I'm just waiting for the Great Firewall of China to start doing its thing.
Viagra anyone?By Anonymous on April 7, 2009, 12:57 pmI hear that... I'd say 90% of the Junk mail/spam I get and most of the phishing e-mail may not be from .cn domains, but the send your contact Information is usually .hk (Hong Kong) and that too is part of China, although not as tightly controled. of course from the McAfee group: The McAfee Mal Web report, which serves as a safety guidebook to risky online neighborhoods, reveals that 19.2 percent of all Web sites ending with the .hk domain pose a security threat to Web users, followed by China (.cn), the Philippines (.ph), Romania (.ro) and Russia (.ru).
it's ture, at least for theBy Anonymous on May 17, 2008, 4:43 amit's ture, at least for the time being, people living in china cann't access to blogspot, wikipedia(the chinese version), as well as my#opera#com. At least I can't access these sites, and I once had a blogspaces has been shutdown becaues some post talking about the education system. BTW, the gov of china are doing their job very well, most young guy don't have a clear idea about the 8*8 issue which happens 19 yrs ago.
it's not the truthBy Anonymous on May 16, 2008, 12:33 pmIn china,it's very easy to access the internet,and people can get information worldwide freely.I'm in china now,and i can get your information about the censorship,it's a evidence that the censorship is not effective as you said.
My experience of Censorship in XinjiangBy Anonymous on May 15, 2008, 9:52 pmI lived in Xinjiang for a few years, and one by one each of the VPN's that I was using became inaccessible to me. Likewise proxies were blocked within a month of when I started to use them. Some of the "blocked" news sites and blogs were at certain times open, but sites about Uigher separatism were continuously blocked (except through VPN) from the city in which I lived. Comments from those living in Beijing or Shangai might not reflect what is going on in other parts of the country. I would say an 11th difference is with those foreigners who somehow perk the suspicion of the government. Their activities are especially monitored and curtailed. This would include almost any and all foreigners living in Xinjiang.
One inaccuracyBy Anonymous on May 15, 2008, 6:42 pmI am Chinese and I've been living in both China, the U.S. and Europe for sometime. It is unfair to say that the Internet is slower in China when you try to connect to an American or French website, cuz it was damn slow when I tried to connect to a Chinese website from the US or France too... I really support full access to any website (except for terrorism or kids porn stuff). The change has been slow but the gov't is providing a much wider range of int'l websites such as Youtube, Twitter, BBC online...
Disagree!There is no picBy Anonymous on May 15, 2008, 2:04 pmDisagree!There is no pic tell me the turth of My Internet life,first,because I am Chinese which is in Sichuan of China.I can read this silly blognews on my laptop.Second,if anyone who live outside of China read news online were not scaned for forbidden information at all,Deceiving himself is to deceive others.E.g:Tibet affair,Dalai Lama,who want to be the persident of Tibet,he should tell everybody:"yeah!my people were not slaves,They should be sperated from China,just like more than one hunred years ago,the south of Amercia did.Beacuse The Unite Sate and Some Europe Contury need Dala to choke the Chinese Goverment,They didn't want see these people become strong intelligence with full of wealth!"that's my money, that's my car.that's my job!""Goverment,You must to sanction China, this country scrambled my job!" yeah!That Is Despicable human nature,you know!
Nope, because I don't getBy Anonymous on May 15, 2008, 8:16 amNope, because I don't get viruses...I use linux. Spam I can live with. Freedom of choice all the way!
Too bad of instead ofBy Anonymous on May 15, 2008, 3:04 amToo bad of instead of censoring our content openly, the american government has just decided to copy it all and filter through it it subversely instead. Atleast China's being honest about it. Same goes with Phone Calls and Txt Messaging.
No censorship, anywhere, ever!By Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 10:01 pmI don't care how great China's Net speed is. What they do should be a crime. There should be no government control over the Internet and its content at all. I also disagree with the high school censoring news coverage of the pistol incident. The students should have the same right to know that adults take for granted. No censorship, anywhere, ever!
A reduction in spam andBy Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 9:58 pmA reduction in spam and malicious activity IS NOT worth any amount of censorship of the internet. The tone of this 'article' is disingenuous in asserting that there can be any positive side to censorship, and it makes you look like a propagandist. Also, your content is misleading. The uniform in slide 6 is a truancy officer, not a 'censorship' officer.
No, it makes sense.By Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 8:34 pmChina has so little spam that it now produces nega-spam that infects the antinet.
HahBy Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 8:31 pmI was gonna say the same thing, how can something DECREASE over 100%?
The Chinese internet isBy Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 7:13 pmThe Chinese internet is actually a ton faster than much of the internet elsewhere, but it is only that fast if you are visiting websites hosted in China, which since they are pretty much all in Chinese, no one outside of China, like this site would know. It is much slower if you are visiting a page outside of china, like in the US or Europe. But within China it is extremely fast.
not badBy Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 7:11 pmI lived in china for 8 moths and their internet is not bad at all. To me it seemed faster over there. The only website that was blocked was wikipedia but if you use a proxy server its fine and you can access it.
PropigandaBy Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 7:04 pmThis article is propaganda. They just want you to get used to the idea of being suppressed. "The Chinese citizens are happy with their censored lives, you will be too..." China is the test bed for what the U.S. Canada and Mexico want to do to North America in the next 20 years. Take all of our freedoms away and control every minute of our lives. Hail to the North American Union! Give up all your civil liberties.
BUT I LIVED IN CHINA...By Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 6:57 pmI'm an american and lived in China last summer in 07. During my time there I stayed in Xiaoshan by Hangzhou's West Lake and did not encounter and problems with websites. All sites were accesible, even MySpace. The only 2 things during my trip were Wikipedia's "Tiannamen Square" page which did not state the important details and secondly a torrent site stated "I was outside the US and could not download torrents" from that particular site. Other than the internet being a bit slower, not much difference. I lived there and the Great Firewall isn't so great.
re: disorientedBy Anonymous on May 17, 2008, 10:52 pmYour sense of geography is revealing as to the usefulness of your comments. Xihu (west lake) is in central Hangzhou city and Xiaoshan is a neighboring district on the other side Qiantang river. I have no idea where you think you were living. Wikipedia was only unblocked in 2008 and even then with several sites such as the Tiananmen references blocked. Various websites such as youtube are arbitrarily blocked sometimes, it seems, to discourage users; other times when 'sensitive' postings are put up. The great firewall even seems to be able to block specific links within a website at times as with sodeemed 'sensitive' topics appearing Yahoonews. In short, anon337, you don't know what you are talking about so please stick to updating your myspace page.
In the words of BenjaminBy Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 6:40 pmIn the words of Benjamin Franklin: "“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
picturesBy Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 6:31 pmThe pictures used in this article are ridiculously unhelpful and the slide format detracts from learning. I would censor this website.
No, I would just use anBy Anonymous on May 13, 2008, 2:04 pmNo, I would just use an operating system without such glaring vulnerabilities.
curiousBy Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 6:19 pmI'm curious as to how they could reduce spam by 131%. That seems an impressive feat - they now produce 'negative' spam?
curiousBy Anonymous on October 2, 2008, 8:05 pmwell the 100% is being abolished the extra 31% is negative spam there giving it to us lol NOW MAY I SAY I WIN
you seem to have no idea howBy Anonymous on May 14, 2008, 7:41 pmyou seem to have no idea how percents work.
percentagesBy Anonymous on May 15, 2008, 6:20 amOn the contrary, the person to whom you were replying had it right. The most you can decrease something like spam by is 100%--all you can do is eliminate it completely. The article has it wrong.
The real question is whatBy Anonymous on May 13, 2008, 9:47 amThe real question is what are the statistics in domain registrations for China in '07 vs the USA in say '99 or '00. Now everyone who wanted a domain pretty much has one.
20% of my servers spam come from chinaBy Anonymous on May 13, 2008, 9:30 amWho says chinese send less spam. 20% of my servers spam is from china
Most Chinese don't careBy Anonymous on May 13, 2008, 7:49 amMost Westerners don't realize that most Chinese don't care about censorship, or even approve of it. There has been research about this and this research should be mentioned in this context. See this article: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/776/china-internet
blockingBy Anonymous on May 13, 2008, 4:29 amThe Chinese authorities don't need a firewall, they should just use a page design like this site is using, it'll put everyone off the web forever. Hey, there's still some space left for another ad., you better get that fixed asap.
what is wrong with you dontBy Anonymous on May 13, 2008, 4:58 amwhat is wrong with you dont you like to read two inch text articles?
Ignorant BlissBy Anonymous on May 13, 2008, 2:42 amOk, I've been living here for 10 months. The text touched on the fact that there is no uprising or backlash from the people. Talking with several Chinese friends and students, the reason is they know/think (depending how you look at it) they need to be lied to to control the population. Another point mentioned was the unpredictability of the censorship. It's not a day to day thing, or an hour by hour change... it can literally change within minutes. A favorite target seems to be google news. Links to the major foreign newspapers would be blocked on minute and free the next. Sometimes they're blocked for days, but sometimes it just takes a minute. It's really interesting knowing that no one really cares. Our cultures sure are different.
Chinese FirewallBy Anonymous on May 12, 2008, 8:47 pmThanks for an excellent article. The complaints by westerners about Internet Freedom in China are complaints about the Chinese Firewall's blocking of articles critical of China written by western writers. What these westerners don't get is mainland Chinese are not looking for dirt on their country's leaders. Most don't read English anyway. So that Firewall is not noticed let alone resented. There is already so much information out in the Internet that an ordinary person can use. What the Firewall does not block is more than enough to satisfy anybody's need for information on any subject. All ordinary people seek is a sampling of a few versions of the same subject. If these versions generally say the same thing and they agree with one's common sense take on the issue we accept that as the truth and move on. No one person can know everything or wants to. If compelling evidence appears later on to change that first version of "truth" then we change our version to accommodate the new truth. Millions were fully supportive of the original reasons given for invading Iraq. We all now know them to be lies and have changed our trust on anything that comes out of Bush's White House. Truth will always triumph. No amount of Firewall blocking and no amount of propaganda spin can fool the people. What this Firewall does is to focus people on issues that do NOT create unnecessary dissension. For example what compelling need is there for real time reports on the DL's scheming and the TYC instigated rioting. All that would do is to inflame passions for revenge. Without the Firewall in place that would have happened. In any case, for those who really want to know, there are always ways around the Firewall. Thus I am grateful for the author's conclusion that China's Firewall does a lot more good than it does evil. ” : Right now, even with the controls, more Chinese people have more access to more and freer information than has ever been true in the country's very long history. So for now it's understandable that more of them are thinking about what they can find than what they can't. “
A good exampleBy Anonymous on May 13, 2008, 11:41 amThat the Chinese people don't seem to be looking for "dirt" on their government officals may have several alternate causes not related to disinterest or apathy. Naivety -- they may just not know better, given the information vacuum that has existed for so long there. Fear of discovery and reprisal -- if they perform searches that smack of potential "disloyalty" to the totalitarian regime and its minions, might they not be severely punished or "disappear". Despair -- they have been under the thumb for so long that they may just not have any hope at all that it could get better. Relativity -- having had endured such a dearth of information for so long, just a sliver of information, no matter how redacted or censored or "modified" it is, may seem like nirvana. As far as "truth will always triumph" goes, that is not always correct. In any conflict, be it physical, political or intellectual, the history as written by the "victors" almost always outlives that written by the "vanquished". For now, the "truth" in China is what the Chinese government says is the "truth" For instance, what might have been actual acts of terrorism as viewed during the fact might be reported historically as the "heroic" actions of "freedom fighters", if those perpetrators were on the side that "won" the conflict. Or actual heroic and necessary deeds might end up being recorded as cowardly, vicious acts of oppressors if the "wrong side" "won". Similar historical revision has occurred regarding the current war in Iraq. Right now, the far left and mostly liberal factions within the U.S. control a majority of the popular media, resulting in a huge tilt of news coverage toward charges of conspiracy, abuse, war crimes, lack of necessity, lies, deceit, losing the war, etc., regarding the U.S. involvement in the war. This is exemplified by Anon's comments which mirror those current media sentiments. Given a few years for the politically motivated hype to die out and be proven false, perhaps a different view of the war will be written. But if the left and politically liberal factions manage to take over the government, the current view of the war may end up written in stone regardless of the actual facts of the matter. For another recent example, one only has to look back at the Vietnam War, regarding the media's treatment of the armed forces, which focused on headline grabbers such as Fonda and Kerry who gave untold aid and comfort to the enemy's cause through their disinformation, which was treated as if fact by the contemporary media. If, perhaps, a very tiny number of criminal actions were actually committed by isolated individuals during the war, it did not justify painting with a wide brush the overwhelmingly heroic and lawful service of the vast majority of armed service members, with the labels of "child killers" and "butchers" and "rapists". Fortunately, enough time has passed that those with immediate desire for political fame have dispersed, and the true course of activities is coming to light. Perhaps in this instance, truth will triumph. But the "truth" is ultimately determined by the victors. For now, the "truth" in China remains that which the Chinese government says is the "truth"
Would be nice if they blocked abuseBy Anonymous on May 12, 2008, 4:06 pmI see a lot of spam and hacking attempts from China. I have reported at least a dozen IP addresses for hacking today alone to Chinanet.
You'll never get a replyBy Anonymous on May 12, 2008, 9:59 pmYou'll never get a reply from China about abuse from their networks. Either because of lack of English speaking people, or just that no one monitors the abuse emails. I figure it's just that they don't care, and I just firewall all .CN IPs based on their APNIC netblock assignments.
NoBy Anonymous on May 12, 2008, 3:35 pmThe pros and cons of whether it's useful right now is simply short sighted. Ultimately the more control the government has over what the populace can say, the more likely corruption will go hidden and unnoticed. When there is rampant corruption (as there is in China), the interests of the people are ravaged by the interests of those is power. Corruption still happens in the US for example, but because it's more transparent, it can be fixed by the populace through peaceful means, which isn't true in China. Perhaps China is doing fine now, and they probably will be for many years but they will always be one really corrupt administration from the brink of collapse.
CiscoBy Anonymous on May 12, 2008, 2:03 pmSo in the end the justification for Cisco seems to be that at the time it was only profiting from something that it was pointless to refuse on ethical grounds because it was inevitable, and it doesn't matter now because the Chinese have stolen/reverse-engineered the necessary technology themselves? Why don't we apply the same reasoning to selling nuclear arms to Iran? I mean, it's inevitable, eventually, so it's pointless to refuse on ethical grounds. May as well make a profit while you can!
Censorship?!By Anonymous on May 15, 2008, 9:59 pmI'm an American, and my government-funded schools taught me that government censorship is bad! It's what evil countries do to their poor downtrodden citizens. I can't find any evidence to the contrary, because anyone who advocates censorship doesn't get much attention in our wide-open free media, so I have to conclude that censorship is never good.
American teachingsBy Anonymous on May 27, 2008, 2:04 amHehe. Your school really taught that?! Now wonder hating America seems to be a multi billion $$ industry today! American seems to have grown too ignorant to form a balanced opinion. Its more like - those who dont have the same opinion as us as "evil". Reminds me of a verse in the Qoran that is very frequently misinterpreted as - those who dont believe in the same god as we do are "infidels"!!
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Chinese government Internet censorship: The pros and consBy Anonymous on May 12, 2008, 10:49 am
Would you support government censorship of the Internet for less spam, viruses and other attacks?
censorshipBy Anonymous on April 15, 2009, 10:41 am
i think we shouldnt be censored because it would be against our rights that protect us every day and that we live by. we should be able to do what ever we want on the internet and watch what ever we want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JeezcensorshipBy Anonymous on April 15, 2009, 10:40 am
i think we shouldnt be censored because it would be against our rights that protect us every day and that we live by. we should be able to do what ever we want on the internet and watch what ever we want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JeezBasic MathBy Anonymous on April 7, 2009, 11:20 amI really can't stand statements such as "China decreased its spam volume by 131%". Anyone with a basic understanding of percent knows this is a logical impossibility. If you have 100 of something, you can't get rid of 131 of them. Even if one were to accept that as a common but incorrect usage, what the heck could it possibly mean??
Transfer of leadership peacefully, with full willBy Anonymous on March 30, 2009, 11:05 amThat is the only difference between USA and China. The Chinese did not invent the Internet. They just got the package ready made, just like a new toy, and now they are 'playing' with it. Now, just like the rest of the 3rd world countries, they brag that they are on it. For People here in America, the Internet is a part of daily life. Here in the US, we pay phone bill, electricity bill, utilities bill, even garbage bill, we keep family and friends contacts, pictures, videos, and memoirs, we look for medicine, and renew our prescription drugs on it, we use its maps to find directions to a store, a business, a friend, or just going out. We order take out on it, and check our bank accounts on it. We do not "brag" that we are on line here in America, we are simply just there. Just exactly the way we vote our leaders out of office, or vote them in. We do not think much about, we just do it. The true difference in a nutshell, is that the Chinese people are not mature enough to be like America. Because in America the People do not trust the governemnt, yet the governemnt trusts the people.
uhthBy Anonymous on March 17, 2009, 2:21 pmwow
The censorship is good except for the political stuff being unfrBy Anonymous on March 7, 2009, 5:40 pmI am a Chinese and live in Canada now. I agree most of the slides are talking about the truth. But keeping scam, fishing rate low is definitely good, and the only thing I hate is the stupid Chinese government prohibits people talking about politics. This is an old and definitely wrong idea since those ancient feudalism societies. In Chinese its called “防民之口甚于防川”, indicating that words out of people's mouths are even more dangerous than flood. In other aspects I think the censorship is doing the right thing. My idea is the government do know that they are using the unfair politic system and is deeply afraid of being pulled down. By the way I think nowadays connected computers are very common in normal families of China.
No goverment interferenceBy Anonymous on June 15, 2008, 7:01 pmNo one needs governments to blast viruses and spam! We don't need to become like Chinese or Iranian users, watched, screened and censored. You get a virus, make sure you updated your antivir! Better bet 50 bucks on Norton and alike than on governments for fiddling with communication. You get spam, put your mail on gmail! Even a 5 years old child can do that. Governments... not even able able to round up narco billionaires!
Agree.By hisapphire on June 14, 2008, 12:25 amI'm a Chinese and I agree with most of your opinions.But#3 Access to foreign Web sites is limitedis not true.Some oversea web sites are limited by themselves.
Another differenceBy Anonymous on May 27, 2008, 9:07 amI think you might want to point out another most significant difference, namely, the Internet in Chinese is mostly in "simplied Chinese characters" versus English or other languages and give statistics if possible (e.g., 95% in Chinese, 4% in English, etc.) I think readers in the U.S. and the West must realize that, despite China's ambitions to learn and master the English language, communications there are still conducted in Chinese and many messages won't get through unless they are communicated correctly in the Chinese language.