In a wide-ranging, free-form chat on Tuesday night in San Francisco at the 2018 Fog World Congress, legendary computing figure Steve Wozniak discussed the future of technology and its role in making the world a better place.\nTaking the stage alongside the senior director of Cisco\u2019s corporate strategic innovation group, Helder Antunes, Wozniak took the audience through his personal history with technology, from phone hacking in the late 1970s, through his up-and-down relationship with Steve Jobs and Apple, to his current role as a sort of ambassador for the good that technology can do for the world.\n\nDespite the burgeoning hype around newly decentralized computing technologies like edge and fog, Wozniak said that these true paradigm shifts don\u2019t happen overnight \u2013 and they don\u2019t happen without a lot of failure along the way.\n\u201cLook at all the things the Internet does for us in our lives \u2013 all the companies proposing those things in 2000 failed! OK, not all of them, but most of them failed,\u201d he said, and added a quip, \u201cBest time of my life \u2013 you could drive anywhere in the Bay Area.\u201d\nWhile cautioning that AI, and machines in general, have been beating human opponents for a long time \u2013 dating back to the Industrial Revolution, solving games like checkers and beating out the best humanity has to offer at chess \u2013 Wozniak stated that we\u2019ll never really be supplanted by AI in the near future.\n\u201cNeural networks can do amazing things, and they can learn things much better than things could in the past, and machine learning is beautiful,\u201d he told the crowd. \u201c[But] the next wave, are we going to get machines that have real thoughts and feelings and care about things and all that, \u2026 I don\u2019t think it\u2019s going to happen in my lifetime.\u201d\nMachine-to-machine communication \u2013 the forerunner of the IoT \u2013 has been on Wozniak\u2019s mind for decades, he said. He described a long-ago experiment with crash avoidance technology on airplanes, noting that the most successful technique involved simply letting the airplanes\u2019 computers communicate directly to avoid collisions.\n\u201cOf course, it didn\u2019t get implemented, but I think the same thing applied to cars is going to be more successful \u2013 these roads were, unfortunately, built by humans, and you can\u2019t change the roads,\u201d he said. \u201cIt\u2019d be nice if we had train tracks for cars.\u201d\nWozniak argued for a degree of caution in the deployment of new technologies, however. Saying that the urge to implement the latest and greatest tech is a powerful one, he stated that security often gets treated as an afterthought, something to be added after a technology is already out there.\n\u201cThe right way to move forward with new technology is one step at a time,\u201d he said. \u201cYou take your step forward, other people will take their own step forward, but you have to keep moving forward and making the world a better place for humans.\u201d\nOther highlights:\n\nOn the subject of mind\/machine interfacing: \u201cI don\u2019t really believe in the reading-the-mind stuff. I\u2019m not sure we\u2019re going to get to the point where, as fast as you can think, you can communicate ideas. A lot of people want that, and I can see why they want it, \u2026 but we don\u2019t really know how the brain actually works.\u201d\nOn focus, while working at Hewlett-Packard on designing scientific calculators: \u201cI didn\u2019t have a college degree, but I\u2019d taught myself in high school to design any kind of computer on paper with no knowledge at all from the chips available. So all I would do is design calculators during the daytime, and I was such a geek that I didn\u2019t have girls and parties and drinking and stuff like that at night \u2013 I came home, I had a TV dinner, I watched Star Trek, and then I went back to work.\u201d\nOn electric cars: \u201cI\u2019m an electrical engineer. Of course, I took some mechanical courses, back when engineering was analog \u2013 heavy-duty mathematics and differential calculus and so on, so I love it when the cars all-electric, finally. \u2026 seeing cars go electric, in all these companies and all these countries around the world \u2026 it\u2019s something I\u2019ve hoped for my whole life.\u201d\n\nWozniak didn\u2019t comment any further on allegations made against his Woz-U coding classes. CBS News recently published allegations that the company\u2019s $13,200 flagship product (a 33-week online course) didn\u2019t live up to expectations \u2013 everything from pre-recorded, out-of-date lectures instead of the live ones that were advertised, typo-ridden content, and unqualified instructors to deceptive, high-pressure sales tactics were described by former students and staff. A follow-up email to Wozniak\u2019s handlers didn\u2019t receive a response by the time this article was published.\nUpdate: Woz-U issued a statement on this topic after publication. It can be found here.